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Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F
by James Cummings 05 Nov '18

05 Nov '18

Hi all, I got an email back from the person who controls the spaces on the nice university building right on the beach on the coast outside Newcastle closer to where I live. It is available those dates, but because it is in such demand they charge 250 GBP a day for it. So instead we'd have the meetings on campus (free meeting rooms but maybe not the same each day). We could still go out to the coast some evening for supper or something. Just in case that sways your vote to/from Newcastle. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 04 November 2018 21:11:13 To: Mylonas, Elli; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Excellent, we have the date for our Spring F2F meeting. It is May 6-8. Please continue voting on locations until Tuesday. I was assuming that all the locations would be available on that dates. If that’s not the case, please let me know. Here is the link again: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. It is an anonymous voting. Best wishes, Martina Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> Im Auftrag von Mylonas, Elli Gesendet: Freitag, 2. November 2018 23:52 An: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F May 6-8 fine for providence On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:29 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> wrote: That is to say, should those TEI Council members who are in contact with specific venues for hosting now check in with those venues to see which are actually available on the dates we've selected? And report back if they are not, so that we may narrow our options accordingly. E On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:27 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> wrote: Hi all-- On locations for the Spring F2F, I wonder if some might eliminate themselves now that we've narrowed down the dates? Should we check that first before voting on locations? Cheers, Elisa On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:54 PM Hugh Cayless <philomousos(a)gmail.com<mailto:philomousos@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm Sorry Martina, I could have sworn I'd already done it. Yes, May 6-8 is fine. Hugh On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:22 PM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Hi Raff and all, I think you meant to add the Council for this as a recipient too… Actually, Hugh’s voting is missing. At the moment our best option is May 6-8. Hugh, would that be possible for you too? We have 4 great offers for locations, that makes it really difficult to decide. But keep in mind that every potential host offered to organize the Council meeting also in the following years. We have heard a number of arguments that speak for one or the other location: TEI/DH people we might meet there; meeting in conjunction with a workshop; easy to organize; not too expensive; easy to reach; the Autumn meeting is in Europe etc. I set up another doodle where everyone can vote for their preferred location: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. Please do that until Tuesday, so that we have our final decision on Wednesday. If you think a blind voting is better, I can change the settings accordingly. Best wishes, Martina Von: Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com<mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 20:24 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Hi Martina and all, I think we all filled this in and can find dates that work. Should we have another doodle or something for voting on location? I told people at the Folger that I would let them know by the end of the month. No pressure if that doesn't happen, but either way it may be worth figuring out how we're going to decide sooner rather than later. Raff On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:50 AM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Dear Council, please fill out the doodle for the Spring F2F meeting in case you haven’t done yet: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Thanks! Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org<http://newtfire.org/> -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org<http://newtfire.org/> _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 04 Nov '18

04 Nov '18

Hi Raff and all, I think you meant to add the Council for this as a recipient too… Actually, Hugh’s voting is missing. At the moment our best option is May 6-8. Hugh, would that be possible for you too? We have 4 great offers for locations, that makes it really difficult to decide. But keep in mind that every potential host offered to organize the Council meeting also in the following years. We have heard a number of arguments that speak for one or the other location: TEI/DH people we might meet there; meeting in conjunction with a workshop; easy to organize; not too expensive; easy to reach; the Autumn meeting is in Europe etc. I set up another doodle where everyone can vote for their preferred location: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. Please do that until Tuesday, so that we have our final decision on Wednesday. If you think a blind voting is better, I can change the settings accordingly. Best wishes, Martina Von: Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 20:24 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Hi Martina and all, I think we all filled this in and can find dates that work. Should we have another doodle or something for voting on location? I told people at the Folger that I would let them know by the end of the month. No pressure if that doesn't happen, but either way it may be worth figuring out how we're going to decide sooner rather than later. Raff On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:50 AM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Dear Council, please fill out the doodle for the Spring F2F meeting in case you haven’t done yet: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Thanks! Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Website bug.
by James Cummings 31 Oct '18

31 Oct '18

Hi Luis, Fair enough! Thought best to point it out just in case it was something that had slipped by! Happy Halloween! (My skull-like Luche Libra mask has frightened many a small child this evening.) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Luis Meneses <ldmm(a)uvic.ca> Sent: 31 October 2018 16:28:44 To: James Cummings Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: Website bug. Hi James, This is something that we are working on right now. I am in the process of switching over to using Google Search on the site. I am waiting until we get verified by Google as a non-profit organization. Once that happens we can use their search engine for free and without ads. Best, ----- -Luis On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:16 AM, James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote: Hi Luis (CC'ing TEI-Council), I've just noticed that while on the TEI Website if I search for something. Let's say 'persName'. The URL is http://www.tei-c.org/?s=persName but this searches website-only content rather than including the Guidelines. Is this by design? Inherent limitation since the Guidelines are stored separately? There is a google site search on the generated Guidelines pages, e.g. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/index.html which searches the Guidelines. I'm assuming the first search is a wordpress one which can't know about the Guidelines content (stored outside wordpress). The problem, obvious I hope, is that people don't know that the first search doesn't search the guidelines as well. Options that occur to me: a) Change the label of the first search ('website only' or similar) and the text on the results page (if possible) to point to the Guidelines search to say 'Or search in the Guidelines' and have a guidelines search box there. b) or replace with google site search throughout so that all search boxes search all the same content or something. Just thought I'd mention it. What do others think? Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Website bug.
by James Cummings 31 Oct '18

31 Oct '18

Hi Luis (CC'ing TEI-Council), I've just noticed that while on the TEI Website if I search for something. Let's say 'persName'. The URL is http://www.tei-c.org/?s=persName but this searches website-only content rather than including the Guidelines. Is this by design? Inherent limitation since the Guidelines are stored separately? There is a google site search on the generated Guidelines pages, e.g. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/index.html which searches the Guidelines. I'm assuming the first search is a wordpress one which can't know about the Guidelines content (stored outside wordpress). The problem, obvious I hope, is that people don't know that the first search doesn't search the guidelines as well. Options that occur to me: a) Change the label of the first search ('website only' or similar) and the text on the results page (if possible) to point to the Guidelines search to say 'Or search in the Guidelines' and have a guidelines search box there. b) or replace with google site search throughout so that all search boxes search all the same content or something. Just thought I'd mention it. What do others think? Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Re: [Tei-council] policy on grouping element name
by James Cummings 30 Oct '18

30 Oct '18

c.f. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/AB.html#index-front.1_d… (Which btw is a horrible, presumably auto-created at some point, ID that we should change sometime.) Basically: "In TEI usage, a group is distinguished from a list in that the former associates several objects which act as a single entity, while the latter does not. For example, a linkGrp combines several link elements which have certain properties in common, whereas a listBibl simply lists a number of otherwise unrelated bibl elements." And I've got a memory of it in some TCW explaining naming of elements somewhere else but couldn't find that in a quick search. -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Syd Bauman <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu> Sent: 30 October 2018 18:33:11 To: TEI Council Subject: [Tei-council] policy on grouping element name Do we have a written policy on when a grouping elment for Xs is named <listX> vs <XGrp>? I think the policy should be that we use <listX> when the order of Xs does, or may, have significance; we use <XGrp> when the order of Xs does not, or should not, have significance. In alphabetic order by the part of the GI that says what is being contained, we have: * altGrp * listApp * listBibl * listChange * listEvent * listForest * gramGrp * interpGrp * joinGrp * linkGrp * locusGrp * measureGrp * modelGrp * listNym * listOrg * listPerson * personGrp /* not really the same sort of animal */ * listPlace * listPrefixDef * rdgGrp * listRef * listRelation * spanGrp * specGrp * specGrpRef * spGrp * surfaceGrp * listTranspose * listWit While I think several of these arguably do not fall into my definitions above, I still think it may be a useful guideline for future names. Unless, of course, we already have a guideline for future names. :-) _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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policy on grouping element name
by Syd Bauman 30 Oct '18

30 Oct '18

Do we have a written policy on when a grouping elment for Xs is named <listX> vs <XGrp>? I think the policy should be that we use <listX> when the order of Xs does, or may, have significance; we use <XGrp> when the order of Xs does not, or should not, have significance. In alphabetic order by the part of the GI that says what is being contained, we have: * altGrp * listApp * listBibl * listChange * listEvent * listForest * gramGrp * interpGrp * joinGrp * linkGrp * locusGrp * measureGrp * modelGrp * listNym * listOrg * listPerson * personGrp /* not really the same sort of animal */ * listPlace * listPrefixDef * rdgGrp * listRef * listRelation * spanGrp * specGrp * specGrpRef * spGrp * surfaceGrp * listTranspose * listWit While I think several of these arguably do not fall into my definitions above, I still think it may be a useful guideline for future names. Unless, of course, we already have a guideline for future names. :-)

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objectName/listObject/object/idGrp and other changes
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi all, I've put a summary of the locations for testing of the various elements related to adding the object element (to provide descriptions of real or fictional objects) on the github issue at: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/327#issuecomment-433548949 with links to the reference pages, first draft of Guidelines prose (needs more work), etc. I made minor changes to some descriptions other elements (like physDesc or msContents) to include 'or other object' to make them usable for <object>. I wasn't doing a full build locally (just generating Relax NG schema to test) and so when checking into Jenkins I had a variety of errors pop up that I mention now just for shared experience. All fairly trivial: - ambiguous content models. I'd accidentally included listObject and model.objectLike (object, listObject) in the content model of listObject and sensibly it pointed out that would be ambiguous. - duplicate xml:id's -- I have (for now) used the same example in the object/listObject and Guidelines prose, and of course the xml:id's were duplicated so I had to go and change them -The most fun error was when I put in a commit message that it was correcting an error. Jenkins sees the word 'error' in its output and assumes this must mean there is an error and so fails the job overall! ;-) Needed: - Suggestions of some other named objects for examples - More and better examples, especially less anglo/western - More prose for the Guidelines - Proofreading corrections - Any problems... Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Re: [Tei-council] Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi all, Between filling out the doodle poll and us deciding the date I've had a commitment that I can't move come up on the evening of 16 November, so will have to miss that meeting. My apologies. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 25 October 2018 15:21:51 To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org Subject: [Tei-council] Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences Dear all, I added the dates for the Council and Stylesheets meetings to our shared google calendar. I hope I did not mix anything up. Council meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month) Fri, 16 November 2018, 20Z Mon, 17 December 2018, 13Z Fri, 18 January 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 February 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 March 2019, 20Z Mon, 15 April 2019, 13Z Fri, 17 May 2019, 20Z Mon, 17 June 2019, 13Z Stylesheets meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month, opposite of Council meeting) Mon, 19 November 2018, 13Z Fri, 21 Dezember 2018, 20Z Mon, 21 January 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 February 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 March 2019, 13Z Fri, 19 April 2019, 20Z Mon, 20 May 2019, 13Z Fri, 21 June 2019, 20Z Best wishes, Martina

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Re: [Tei-council] Tokyo Per Diem
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi Syd, My recollection was that we used the 70% of the USA rate when in the USA and not externally because the rate often was misjudged outside... but it may be that I was entirely reversed on that recollection. Maybe it was the reverse. I honestly am not sure and haven't found any documentation on it. I've submitted mine already but happy to use whatever Hugh says is right. ;-) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Syd Bauman <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu> Sent: 25 October 2018 18:27:29 To: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Tokyo Per Diem I came at it from a different direction, but get the same result as RV: The US Department of State Meals & Incidentals per diem rate for Tokyo is $227. (RV went to gsa.gov; I went to state.gov.) But I have a recollection that we are supposed to use 70% of that rate,[1] but cannot find documentation which says that, or which gives the division into breakfast, lunch, and dinner. RV, where did you find it? Anyone else know where it is? The documentation at https://wiki.tei-c.org/index.php/Travel_Reimbursement_Procedures_for_Counci… does not include this information. Notes ----- [1] Which would be $158.90, which is still an awful lot of money for one day of eating in Tokyo, at least where we were. Unless I hear otherwise, that's what I'm planning to use. _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Dear all, I added the dates for the Council and Stylesheets meetings to our shared google calendar. I hope I did not mix anything up. Council meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month) Fri, 16 November 2018, 20Z Mon, 17 December 2018, 13Z Fri, 18 January 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 February 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 March 2019, 20Z Mon, 15 April 2019, 13Z Fri, 17 May 2019, 20Z Mon, 17 June 2019, 13Z Stylesheets meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month, opposite of Council meeting) Mon, 19 November 2018, 13Z Fri, 21 Dezember 2018, 20Z Mon, 21 January 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 February 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 March 2019, 13Z Fri, 19 April 2019, 20Z Mon, 20 May 2019, 13Z Fri, 21 June 2019, 20Z Best wishes, Martina

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