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What is a base ODD?
by Martin Holmes 13 Feb '25

13 Feb '25

Hi all, The ATOP group has been grappling with the issue of ODD chaining, and in particular, how to determine, starting from a customization ODD to process and following its chain of precursors, how to know when you reach a base ODD and don't have to go any further. This is easy if the ultimate base ODD is p5subset, and that is indeed the default. However, it's perfectly possible that you don't want anything at all from P5, you just want to customize a base ODD that you've already created. One obvious sign of a base ODD is that there is no <schemaSpec> element -- which is the case for p5subset -- but we know that many base ODDs in the wild DO have a `<schemaSpec>` element, and it also seems intuitive that if you're creating a schema specification, you should use a `<schemaSpec>` element. So we've arrived at a definition of a base ODD, which we believe is testable; it goes like this (adapted from our meeting notes): EITHER the ODD has no `<schemaSpec>` element, OR it has a <schemaSpec> with no `@source` (meaning that the source would default to p5subset), BUT there are no `<*Ref>` children of that `<schemaSpec>` invoking content from p5subset so there is no need to retrieve it. This is based on the assumption that if you use any `<*Ref>` element at the base level (i.e. as a direct child of `<schemaSpec>`), that constitutes a call to retrieve something from p5subset; but any such `<*Ref>` at a lower level must be referring to what is already in the schema (either because it's locally defined, or because it was brought in by a top-level `<moduleRef>`, `<elementRef>`, etc.). So my question is: does all this make sense to you all? If so, and we proceed on this basis, then P5 could probably use some more explanation of what a base ODD is, and how it fits into the chaining process. I should also say that current approaches to ODD chaining with the current Stylesheets involve pre-compiling any ODD which is earlier in the chain, so that it constitutes a .processedodd file (see <https://teic.github.io/PDF/howtoChain.pdf> section 4), but we would like ATOP to be able to do all that automatically, so that all you do is specify the source for your customization, and the processor can construct the entire chain and compile everything in sequence. Cheers, Martin -- ------------------------------------------ Martin Holmes UVic Humanities Computing and Media Centre I acknowledge and respect the lək̓ʷəŋən peoples on whose traditional territory the university stands and the Songhees, Esquimalt and WSÁNEĆ peoples whose historical relationships with the land continue to this day.

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Reminder: TEI Council Meeting Tomorrow (Tues. Feb 11)
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 10 Feb '25

10 Feb '25

TEI Councillors, Just a reminder that we meet tomorrow, Tuesday 2/11 (10:30–12:00 PST | 13:30–15:00 EST | 17:30–19:00 UTC | 19:30–21:00 CEST) for our monthly teleconference. Here’s the agenda Google Doc <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XNBdtao_8p3G_AKSY1kUPIVCxRi6lT-3tvpE9jG…> with the Zoom link inside. Please add tickets / issues that you’d like us to discuss together at this meeting! See you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Next Stylesheets meeting: January 28th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 27 Jan '25

27 Jan '25

The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, January 28th, at 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 6:30pm UTC / 7:30pm CET. As always, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNfj0b7utonqFU7BeiE_KuhowGthH_C6wnQE1fk… Best, Helena

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Freeze for TEI Release 4.9.0
by Raffaele Viglianti 24 Jan '25

24 Jan '25

Dear Council, As we are releasing TEI version 4.9.0 and the Stylesheets version 7.58.0, please do not commit anything to the following branches: tei:dev, tei:release-4.9.0, tei:released, stylesheets:dev, stylesheets:release-7.58.0, stylesheets:released. We will send a follow up notice once the release is complete. Best, Raff

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Next Stylesheets meeting: November 26th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 23 Dec '24

23 Dec '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, November 26th, at 9am PDT / 12pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 6pm CET. Please, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Next Stylesheets meeting: December 18th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 17 Dec '24

17 Dec '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, December 18th, at 9am PDT / 12pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 6pm CET. As always, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Meeting today + Scheduling Council Meetings January 2025 and onward
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 10 Dec '24

10 Dec '24

Dear Council, including new Council members Ulrike and Martin, First a quick reminder that Council meets today in about 4 hours for our December teleconference call on Zoom, at 10:00–11:30 PDT | 13:00–14:30 EDT | 17:00–18:30 UTC | 19:00–20:30 CEST. **Ulrike and Martin, you are very welcome (and encouraged!) to attend, but if you can't make it, that's okay. But we are expecting you definitely to join us in January, so we would like to be sure you are involved in planning our meeting dates and times for January onward! Here is the Zoom link <https://psu.zoom.us/j/98850059066?pwd=UzhBL2NFc1lweWYzS2xZd2dqYVZpdz09>, and the agenda <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPfeW1O5-0_YHyZIrn3XHnx_j72EBIkopHkTdhR…>. (Please add anything I've missed!) Would each of you please be sure to fill out *this calendar poll for our meetings in 2025* <https://www.when2meet.com/?27760226-aoTLT>? I hope that we can decide this at the meeting today and set these in the calendar. The poll should automatically adjust for your time zone. I think we may be able to schedule our Council monthly teleconference meeting dates and times today, but I want to be sure you all have a chance to look at the times we are considering! At this point a few of you have not responded, and it's important that we choose a time will work for you all! Looking forward to seeing you all today in a few hours! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Poll by Fri. Dec 6: Scheduling Council Meetings starting January 2025
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 30 Nov '24

30 Nov '24

Dear TEI Council, It's about to be December! Our last meeting for 2024 is coming soon, and we'll be saying farewell to Magdalena and Gus. We will definitely miss you in Council but we know we'll see you again next year in working on TEI Lite2! We also look forward to welcoming Ulrike and Martin, who officially begin with the Council in January! Ulrike and Martin, you should now be added to this Council e-mail listserv, and this is one place where we'll make formal announcements. You are both most welcome to join us at the December meeting, though this is optional and we'll understand if you can't make it until the start of your terms in January! As for meetings from January 2025 onward, we need to schedule them! Council has been meeting in the second full week of every month for 90-minute sessions, and I am hoping to set a regular date and time that might hold through April or May this spring. With this regular monthly meeting plan in mind, would each of you who are members of Council from January 2025 onward take a moment to review your schedules and mark your availability on this When2Meet poll? (Several of you have already begun filling this out earlier this week in response to my Slack message in the #council channel, but I ask that we each revisit this and adjust availability as needed.) *Could we each respond to this by the end of next week--by Friday December 6?* https://www.when2meet.com/?27760226-aoTLT (Again, the poll is set for the 2nd full week in January but we'll plan to apply it to the next few months. It should be set to adjust to your time zone! Please feel free to reply to this message or write to me individually if you have schedule issues or questions.) I'll review your responses next week in hopes of announcing our January - April Council meeting dates / times at the December meeting and here on this list. We'll also need to start thinking about our next multi-day face-to-face (or virtual) meetings, but we'll revisit this in the new year! The December meeting is scheduled (as posted on our Google Calendar <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=bW5zbHUxajQ4cXZlbzlsYXQ4a2hjb3…>) on Tuesday December 10 at 10:00–11:30 PDT | 13:00–14:30 EDT | 17:00–18:30 UTC | 19:00–20:30 CEST over Zoom at the usual location: Zoom: https://psu.zoom.us/j/98850059066?pwd=UzhBL2NFc1lweWYzS2xZd2dqYVZpdz09 password: tei Thanks, everyone! See you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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TEI Lite 2.0 Task force
by Magdalena Turska 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

Dear Elisa and Council, Following up on our discussions in the F2F meeting in Buenos Aires I would like to request establishing a task force to create a new, substantially changed revision of the TEI Lite. As agreed in BA, task force members will be as follows: Helena Bermúdez-Sabel Gustavo Fernandez Riva Martina Scholger Magdalena Turska As for the organization of work, we are planning to meet in person in January 2025, in my house in Poland. Best regards, Magdalena Scope of the work and planned deliverables TEI Lite 2.0 task force is dedicated to the creation of the new TEI Lite schema and corresponding Guidelines with extended examples section. These will be accompanied by implementations for the new functionalities required for the schema processing and Guidelines publication. Rationale Motivations for the new version of the TEI Lite are several. First, its original dates back to 1996, later followed by a series of updates varying in scope. The last substantial revision was made in 2006, at a time when both the technologies supporting XML processing were not as developed, and, more importantly, consensus regarding publication and interoperability of TEI-encoded texts was completely lacking and implementation praxis varied hugely. Therefore TEI Lite (and TEI) Guidelines for the most part pay no heed to processing and publishing concerns, in particular rarely addressing encoding strategies for composite, heterogeneous collections, focusing rather on the "archive" function of the format, where effectively all information is injected into a single TEI resource. The task force's intention is to expand the horizon of the TEI Lite Guidelines, to discuss recommended data modeling, organization and processing practices for a broad range of real life uses. Especially the processing part will make use of the TEI Processing Model, non-existent yet when TEI Lite was last updated. Second, despite decades of efforts from the TEI community, the standard is still too often perceived as prohibitively complex, and even the presence of TEI Lite with its reduced set of elements did not amend the situation. One reason may be the fragmentary character of existing resources to learn TEI from, both in terms of structure and examples provided. Particularly the latter in the Guidelines are usually missing the broader context, from the facsimile of the original source to the complete TEI document to which they might belong, therefore making it impossible for the users to analyze the complete picture the Guidelines try to portray. Therefore, TEI Lite aims to extend the base of full encoding examples as well as illustrate remaining fragmentary ones with a broader context, from facsimile images, through the editorial process, to a proposed final presentation. This will be achieved through extensive use of graphic and other media (e.g. screencasts or animations), not relying solely on textual descriptions of phenomena discussed. Finally, one of the common concerns with the TEI standard is its increasing idiosyncrasy, for the most part a consequence of the inability to express contextually diverse content models for the same element. TEI Lite 2.0 task force intends to propose a syntax and implementation for that problem, together with the reorganization of a number of elements. We hope that the results of this effort will pave the way for the new, P6, version of the TEI.

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Next Stylesheets meeting: October 29th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

Dear all, Tthe next Stylesheets meeting will take place on October 29th. There is a small poll in Slack to decide on the time since it will be in one of those weeks in the year in which our calendars are out of sync. The main point on the agenda is the discussed <valList> issue ( https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/2597) (unless this is fixed before the meeting). Please, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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