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MS Sig Discussion Re Ch. 11 Fwd: SIG meeting today: 2pm in Board Room
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 29 Sep '16

29 Sep '16

Council (cc: Dot)— Dot’s organized an impromptu MS SIG for this afternoon to discuss tickets related to Chapter 11. Since we have a couple of Council members assigned to work on these tickets, I think some of us should be present—I’m happy to go and take notes. Anyone else coming? Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org <http://newtfire.org/> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Dot Porter <dot.porter(a)GMAIL.COM <mailto:dot.porter@gmail.com>> > Subject: SIG meeting today: 2pm in Board Room > Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:10:51 AM GMT+2 > To: TEI-MS-SIG(a)LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU <mailto:TEI-MS-SIG@listserv.brown.edu> > Reply-To: Dot Porter <dot.porter(a)GMAIL.COM <mailto:dot.porter@gmail.com>> > > Dear TEI Manuscripts SIG, > > There will be an impromptu SIG meeting in the Board Room today at 2pm (during the poster session). If you are at the TEI meeting please come! > > There are three items that I have for the agenda, and please bring your own items for discussion. > > 1. Gerrit Brüning and Brett Barney have been working to tidy up chapter 11 of the Guidelines (Representation of Primary Resources, http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html>), as the introduction of the genetic module has left the chapter in an untidy state. > > They have created a number of issues on Github: > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/i <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+>ssues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+ <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Agerritbruening+ <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Agerritbruening+> > Most of them are minor, and most of them have been closed in the meantime. But surprise, the most important ones are still open: > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1427 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1427> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1477 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1477> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1493 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1493> (created by Lou, connected to #1427) > Brett and Gerrig will have a supply of more issues that we will share in the next couple of months. We are looking for other people to tackle some of the work on cleaning up the chapter. > > 2. Critical Apparatus, Chapter 12 (http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html>) > > A couple of years ago there was a working group that published a number of recommendations for updating the apparatus chapter. The apparatus has been a major issue for several years. There was a big change when app was made global and lem and rdg were allowed to contain chunk level elements in the last year. But that step was taken independently of the workgroup that we started in Rome. This was a follow-up group that as far as we know did not do anything to implement the recommendations of the earlier group. (Here is the latest document I am aware of regarding work on the apparatus: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10R5FfpvCh9v2c2zeG1hgYMcyuT8o-PfHiaWYVrL… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10R5FfpvCh9v2c2zeG1hgYMcyuT8o-PfHiaWYVrL…>) > > It would be great if we could pick up work on the apparatus. > > 3. Manuscript Description, Chapter 10 (http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/MS.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/MS.html>) > > This is a discussion coming out of the session yesterday. We can discuss setting up an interest group (a subset of the Manuscripts SIG?) for people working with msDesc to compare approaches and propose modifications to the Guidelines. > > Look forward to seeing you at 2pm in the Board Room. > > Dot Porter, SIG co-chair > > -- > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Dot Porter (MA, MSLS) > Digital Medievalist, Digital Librarian > Email: dot.porter(a)gmail.com <mailto:dot.porter@gmail.com> > Penn Manuscripts on Tumblr: http://upennmanuscripts.tumblr.com/ <http://upennmanuscripts.tumblr.com/> > MESA: http://mesa-medieval.org <http://mesa-medieval.org/> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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MS Sig Discussion Re Ch. 11 Fwd: SIG meeting today: 2pm in Board Room
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 29 Sep '16

29 Sep '16

Council (cc: Dot)— Dot’s organized an impromptu MS SIG for this afternoon to discuss tickets related to Chapter 11. Since we have a couple of Council members assigned to work on these tickets, I think some of us should be present—I’m happy to go and take notes. Anyone else coming? Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org <http://newtfire.org/> > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Dot Porter <dot.porter(a)GMAIL.COM> > Subject: SIG meeting today: 2pm in Board Room > Date: September 29, 2016 at 11:10:51 AM GMT+2 > To: TEI-MS-SIG(a)LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU > Reply-To: Dot Porter <dot.porter(a)GMAIL.COM> > > Dear TEI Manuscripts SIG, > > There will be an impromptu SIG meeting in the Board Room today at 2pm (during the poster session). If you are at the TEI meeting please come! > > There are three items that I have for the agenda, and please bring your own items for discussion. > > 1. Gerrit Brüning and Brett Barney have been working to tidy up chapter 11 of the Guidelines (Representation of Primary Resources, http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html>), as the introduction of the genetic module has left the chapter in an untidy state. > > They have created a number of issues on Github: > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/i <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+>ssues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+ <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Abrettttt+> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Agerritbruening+ <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues?q=is%3Aissue+author%3Agerritbruening+> > Most of them are minor, and most of them have been closed in the meantime. But surprise, the most important ones are still open: > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1427 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1427> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1477 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1477> > - https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1493 <https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1493> (created by Lou, connected to #1427) > Brett and Gerrig will have a supply of more issues that we will share in the next couple of months. We are looking for other people to tackle some of the work on cleaning up the chapter. > > 2. Critical Apparatus, Chapter 12 (http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html>) > > A couple of years ago there was a working group that published a number of recommendations for updating the apparatus chapter. The apparatus has been a major issue for several years. There was a big change when app was made global and lem and rdg were allowed to contain chunk level elements in the last year. But that step was taken independently of the workgroup that we started in Rome. This was a follow-up group that as far as we know did not do anything to implement the recommendations of the earlier group. (Here is the latest document I am aware of regarding work on the apparatus: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10R5FfpvCh9v2c2zeG1hgYMcyuT8o-PfHiaWYVrL… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10R5FfpvCh9v2c2zeG1hgYMcyuT8o-PfHiaWYVrL…>) > > It would be great if we could pick up work on the apparatus. > > 3. Manuscript Description, Chapter 10 (http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/MS.html <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/MS.html>) > > This is a discussion coming out of the session yesterday. We can discuss setting up an interest group (a subset of the Manuscripts SIG?) for people working with msDesc to compare approaches and propose modifications to the Guidelines. > > Look forward to seeing you at 2pm in the Board Room. > > Dot Porter, SIG co-chair > > -- > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Dot Porter (MA, MSLS) > Digital Medievalist, Digital Librarian > Email: dot.porter(a)gmail.com <mailto:dot.porter@gmail.com> > Penn Manuscripts on Tumblr: http://upennmanuscripts.tumblr.com/ <http://upennmanuscripts.tumblr.com/> > MESA: http://mesa-medieval.org <http://mesa-medieval.org/> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

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Tomorrow
by Raffaele Viglianti 26 Sep '16

26 Sep '16

All, I'll be on "stand by" tomorrow starting 12:30 your time. Please call me whenever it is convenient for you all. Raff

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Lunch now: Anker bakery
by Elisa 26 Sep '16

26 Sep '16

We are at the Anker bakery, on the map provided with our conference materials! We are likely to finish eating quickly and head back soon. Elisa Typeset by hand on my iPad

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Re: [tei-council] location 4 tomorrow; bad list!
by James Cummings 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

Inside in the courtyard. James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 25 Sep 2016 12:38 p.m., Stefan Majewski <io(a)stefanmajewski.eu> wrote: Second Floor, easy to spot. But we have to let you in. Where are you right now? Cheers, Stefan Am 25.09.2016 12:35 nachm. schrieb "James Cummings" <james.cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:james.cummings@it.ox.ac.uk>>: What room are we in? -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 24 Sep 2016 7:40 p.m., Stefan Majewski <io(a)stefanmajewski.eu<mailto:io@stefanmajewski.eu>> wrote: Hi, it is actually Sonnenfelsgasse 19, 1010 Vienna (map<https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sonnenfelsgasse+19,+1010+Wien,+Austria/@4…>) for tomorrow. It is a large green door and I'll be there to pick you up a few minutes in advance. I picked up the key yesterday and am currently preparing a cake for tea/coffee break. As space will be rather limited for tomorrow's session, I think it's best to go to one of the places in the area. See you then, Stefan Am 24.09.2016 7:09 nachm. schrieb "Syd Bauman" <syd(a)paramedic.wwp.neu.edu<mailto:syd@paramedic.wwp.neu.edu>>: James -- We start at 09:30 at the Austrian Academy of Sciences (OeAW or &Oumlaut;AW). I don't remember what room. Address: Dr. Ignaz Seipel-Platz 2 1010 Vienna All (including Kevin, if you are our list master) -- The Council list seems to not be forwarding some mail items along, at least not to me. I've been reading them by reloading the archives page over and over! James' question just came through; both my and Elli's last post about dinner still hasn't made it to my e-mail client. -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Re: [tei-council] location 4 tomorrow; bad list!
by James Cummings 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

What room are we in? -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 24 Sep 2016 7:40 p.m., Stefan Majewski <io(a)stefanmajewski.eu> wrote: Hi, it is actually Sonnenfelsgasse 19, 1010 Vienna (map<https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sonnenfelsgasse+19,+1010+Wien,+Austria/@4…>) for tomorrow. It is a large green door and I'll be there to pick you up a few minutes in advance. I picked up the key yesterday and am currently preparing a cake for tea/coffee break. As space will be rather limited for tomorrow's session, I think it's best to go to one of the places in the area. See you then, Stefan Am 24.09.2016 7:09 nachm. schrieb "Syd Bauman" <syd(a)paramedic.wwp.neu.edu<mailto:syd@paramedic.wwp.neu.edu>>: James -- We start at 09:30 at the Austrian Academy of Sciences (OeAW or &Oumlaut;AW). I don't remember what room. Address: Dr. Ignaz Seipel-Platz 2 1010 Vienna All (including Kevin, if you are our list master) -- The Council list seems to not be forwarding some mail items along, at least not to me. I've been reading them by reloading the archives page over and over! James' question just came through; both my and Elli's last post about dinner still hasn't made it to my e-mail client. -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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any XML document dicsussion
by Syd Bauman 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

[This is a re-post of what I sent 09-12 18:20, which may not have been posted.] Lou -- Overall this looks very good, and thanks for putting in all that effort. Three things I either don't understand correctly, or (if I do), I'm a bit uncomfortable with. * The basic underlying plan, if I grok correctly, is to use an <elementRef> with an @key of "anyElement" at the point in a PureODD model that any element is allowed. The definition of "anyElement", I presume, would itself allow any element with any attributes with any content. If I have this right, the overloading of the value of @key makes me nervous. (It overloaded because it has two definitions: 1) "the identifier used for the required element within the source indicated", and 2) a special keyword which means something completely different (any XML element with any XML content), and precludes the use of an element actually named <anyElement>.) This smacks to me of magic or voodoo, which we are supposed to shun. Why not an <anyElement/> or <anyXML/> element? * The <elementRef> does not currently have an @include, but it seems that supplying a namespace on this new attribute restricts the allowed elements. I guess there is an argument to be made that this is analogous to including elements from a module, but I'm worried that users may find this a bit confusing. (Can I supply 2 or more namespaces?) * If we're using <elementRef> instead of macro.anyXML, why does macro.anyXML need to be re-defined (as in section 6); or is that new definition the definition of <elementRef key="anyElement"/>? In either case, why is a text node allowed as a child (but only after an element)? I don't think we're going to need macro.anyXML at all in the new universe, but if we do, this content model seems screwy. But I may be missing something.

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Bad News
by Raffaele Viglianti 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

Dear all, Unfortunately I am currently missing a visa document that is necessary for my re-entry into the US, so I was not able to fly to Vienna today. My flight reservation is currently "on hold" and in case the document is found by tomorrow, I can try and catch another flight and arrive on Sunday. However, there's a good chance that won't happen. If it's not too much trouble for you, I would still like to attend the meetings remotely - let me know if we can set that up. This is quite an unprecedented situation for me and I hope you'll accept my apologies for any inconvenience this will cause. Raff

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dinner Sunday night
by Mylonas, Elli 24 Sep '16

24 Sep '16

Hi all - I am emailing as amanuensis for the crowd that is coming from Graz - they'll be arriving in Vienna around 6ish, probably at their lodgings before 7. Wondering about dinner 8ish or perhaps a bit earlier. It would be in the old town, as most us are staying pretty close from the google drive doc. Not sure about where to go, but maybe a light meal? We can decide where to meet once we know who's in.

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location 4 tomorrow; bad list!
by Syd Bauman 24 Sep '16

24 Sep '16

James -- We start at 09:30 at the Austrian Academy of Sciences (OeAW or &Oumlaut;AW). I don't remember what room. Address: Dr. Ignaz Seipel-Platz 2 1010 Vienna All (including Kevin, if you are our list master) -- The Council list seems to not be forwarding some mail items along, at least not to me. I've been reading them by reloading the archives page over and over! James' question just came through; both my and Elli's last post about dinner still hasn't made it to my e-mail client.

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