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location for F2F meeting
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 07 Nov '18

07 Nov '18

Dear all, we have a decision on the location for our F2F meeting, it is the Folger Library (Washington). The meeting will take place from May 6 to 8. Thanks to all who offered to host the meeting. It's good to know that the Council already has options for upcoming meetings. Raff, please let me know if you need anything for getting this organized. Best wishes, Martina

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November 16 Monthly Hangout--probably missing
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 07 Nov '18

07 Nov '18

Dear Council: I'm almost certainly going to miss the Council meeting on Friday November 16 due to a flight I'm taking to visit my old dissertation advisor in Maine that day. I'd tried to book it later in the evening but there weren't flights. I'd be arriving at a tiny airport in Rockland, Maine right around when the meeting starts, and with all the fuss of seeing an old mentor after more than a decade, I doubt I'm going to be able to join the Hangout. I'm bringing my headphones just in case it works out--there's a chance I could maybe join late. Sorry! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu

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Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F
by James Cummings 05 Nov '18

05 Nov '18

Hi all, I got an email back from the person who controls the spaces on the nice university building right on the beach on the coast outside Newcastle closer to where I live. It is available those dates, but because it is in such demand they charge 250 GBP a day for it. So instead we'd have the meetings on campus (free meeting rooms but maybe not the same each day). We could still go out to the coast some evening for supper or something. Just in case that sways your vote to/from Newcastle. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 04 November 2018 21:11:13 To: Mylonas, Elli; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Excellent, we have the date for our Spring F2F meeting. It is May 6-8. Please continue voting on locations until Tuesday. I was assuming that all the locations would be available on that dates. If that’s not the case, please let me know. Here is the link again: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. It is an anonymous voting. Best wishes, Martina Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> Im Auftrag von Mylonas, Elli Gesendet: Freitag, 2. November 2018 23:52 An: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F May 6-8 fine for providence On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:29 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> wrote: That is to say, should those TEI Council members who are in contact with specific venues for hosting now check in with those venues to see which are actually available on the dates we've selected? And report back if they are not, so that we may narrow our options accordingly. E On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:27 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> wrote: Hi all-- On locations for the Spring F2F, I wonder if some might eliminate themselves now that we've narrowed down the dates? Should we check that first before voting on locations? Cheers, Elisa On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:54 PM Hugh Cayless <philomousos(a)gmail.com<mailto:philomousos@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm Sorry Martina, I could have sworn I'd already done it. Yes, May 6-8 is fine. Hugh On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:22 PM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Hi Raff and all, I think you meant to add the Council for this as a recipient too… Actually, Hugh’s voting is missing. At the moment our best option is May 6-8. Hugh, would that be possible for you too? We have 4 great offers for locations, that makes it really difficult to decide. But keep in mind that every potential host offered to organize the Council meeting also in the following years. We have heard a number of arguments that speak for one or the other location: TEI/DH people we might meet there; meeting in conjunction with a workshop; easy to organize; not too expensive; easy to reach; the Autumn meeting is in Europe etc. I set up another doodle where everyone can vote for their preferred location: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. Please do that until Tuesday, so that we have our final decision on Wednesday. If you think a blind voting is better, I can change the settings accordingly. Best wishes, Martina Von: Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com<mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 20:24 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Hi Martina and all, I think we all filled this in and can find dates that work. Should we have another doodle or something for voting on location? I told people at the Folger that I would let them know by the end of the month. No pressure if that doesn't happen, but either way it may be worth figuring out how we're going to decide sooner rather than later. Raff On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:50 AM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Dear Council, please fill out the doodle for the Spring F2F meeting in case you haven’t done yet: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Thanks! Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org<http://newtfire.org/> -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org<http://newtfire.org/> _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 04 Nov '18

04 Nov '18

Hi Raff and all, I think you meant to add the Council for this as a recipient too… Actually, Hugh’s voting is missing. At the moment our best option is May 6-8. Hugh, would that be possible for you too? We have 4 great offers for locations, that makes it really difficult to decide. But keep in mind that every potential host offered to organize the Council meeting also in the following years. We have heard a number of arguments that speak for one or the other location: TEI/DH people we might meet there; meeting in conjunction with a workshop; easy to organize; not too expensive; easy to reach; the Autumn meeting is in Europe etc. I set up another doodle where everyone can vote for their preferred location: https://doodle.com/poll/fk6e3yi58zx2c6tt. Please do that until Tuesday, so that we have our final decision on Wednesday. If you think a blind voting is better, I can change the settings accordingly. Best wishes, Martina Von: Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 20:24 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F Hi Martina and all, I think we all filled this in and can find dates that work. Should we have another doodle or something for voting on location? I told people at the Folger that I would let them know by the end of the month. No pressure if that doesn't happen, but either way it may be worth figuring out how we're going to decide sooner rather than later. Raff On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 7:50 AM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Dear Council, please fill out the doodle for the Spring F2F meeting in case you haven’t done yet: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Thanks! Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Website bug.
by James Cummings 31 Oct '18

31 Oct '18

Hi Luis, Fair enough! Thought best to point it out just in case it was something that had slipped by! Happy Halloween! (My skull-like Luche Libra mask has frightened many a small child this evening.) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Luis Meneses <ldmm(a)uvic.ca> Sent: 31 October 2018 16:28:44 To: James Cummings Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: Website bug. Hi James, This is something that we are working on right now. I am in the process of switching over to using Google Search on the site. I am waiting until we get verified by Google as a non-profit organization. Once that happens we can use their search engine for free and without ads. Best, ----- -Luis On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:16 AM, James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote: Hi Luis (CC'ing TEI-Council), I've just noticed that while on the TEI Website if I search for something. Let's say 'persName'. The URL is http://www.tei-c.org/?s=persName but this searches website-only content rather than including the Guidelines. Is this by design? Inherent limitation since the Guidelines are stored separately? There is a google site search on the generated Guidelines pages, e.g. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/index.html which searches the Guidelines. I'm assuming the first search is a wordpress one which can't know about the Guidelines content (stored outside wordpress). The problem, obvious I hope, is that people don't know that the first search doesn't search the guidelines as well. Options that occur to me: a) Change the label of the first search ('website only' or similar) and the text on the results page (if possible) to point to the Guidelines search to say 'Or search in the Guidelines' and have a guidelines search box there. b) or replace with google site search throughout so that all search boxes search all the same content or something. Just thought I'd mention it. What do others think? Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Website bug.
by James Cummings 31 Oct '18

31 Oct '18

Hi Luis (CC'ing TEI-Council), I've just noticed that while on the TEI Website if I search for something. Let's say 'persName'. The URL is http://www.tei-c.org/?s=persName but this searches website-only content rather than including the Guidelines. Is this by design? Inherent limitation since the Guidelines are stored separately? There is a google site search on the generated Guidelines pages, e.g. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/index.html which searches the Guidelines. I'm assuming the first search is a wordpress one which can't know about the Guidelines content (stored outside wordpress). The problem, obvious I hope, is that people don't know that the first search doesn't search the guidelines as well. Options that occur to me: a) Change the label of the first search ('website only' or similar) and the text on the results page (if possible) to point to the Guidelines search to say 'Or search in the Guidelines' and have a guidelines search box there. b) or replace with google site search throughout so that all search boxes search all the same content or something. Just thought I'd mention it. What do others think? Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Re: [Tei-council] policy on grouping element name
by James Cummings 30 Oct '18

30 Oct '18

c.f. http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/AB.html#index-front.1_d… (Which btw is a horrible, presumably auto-created at some point, ID that we should change sometime.) Basically: "In TEI usage, a group is distinguished from a list in that the former associates several objects which act as a single entity, while the latter does not. For example, a linkGrp combines several link elements which have certain properties in common, whereas a listBibl simply lists a number of otherwise unrelated bibl elements." And I've got a memory of it in some TCW explaining naming of elements somewhere else but couldn't find that in a quick search. -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Syd Bauman <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu> Sent: 30 October 2018 18:33:11 To: TEI Council Subject: [Tei-council] policy on grouping element name Do we have a written policy on when a grouping elment for Xs is named <listX> vs <XGrp>? I think the policy should be that we use <listX> when the order of Xs does, or may, have significance; we use <XGrp> when the order of Xs does not, or should not, have significance. In alphabetic order by the part of the GI that says what is being contained, we have: * altGrp * listApp * listBibl * listChange * listEvent * listForest * gramGrp * interpGrp * joinGrp * linkGrp * locusGrp * measureGrp * modelGrp * listNym * listOrg * listPerson * personGrp /* not really the same sort of animal */ * listPlace * listPrefixDef * rdgGrp * listRef * listRelation * spanGrp * specGrp * specGrpRef * spGrp * surfaceGrp * listTranspose * listWit While I think several of these arguably do not fall into my definitions above, I still think it may be a useful guideline for future names. Unless, of course, we already have a guideline for future names. :-) _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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policy on grouping element name
by Syd Bauman 30 Oct '18

30 Oct '18

Do we have a written policy on when a grouping elment for Xs is named <listX> vs <XGrp>? I think the policy should be that we use <listX> when the order of Xs does, or may, have significance; we use <XGrp> when the order of Xs does not, or should not, have significance. In alphabetic order by the part of the GI that says what is being contained, we have: * altGrp * listApp * listBibl * listChange * listEvent * listForest * gramGrp * interpGrp * joinGrp * linkGrp * locusGrp * measureGrp * modelGrp * listNym * listOrg * listPerson * personGrp /* not really the same sort of animal */ * listPlace * listPrefixDef * rdgGrp * listRef * listRelation * spanGrp * specGrp * specGrpRef * spGrp * surfaceGrp * listTranspose * listWit While I think several of these arguably do not fall into my definitions above, I still think it may be a useful guideline for future names. Unless, of course, we already have a guideline for future names. :-)

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objectName/listObject/object/idGrp and other changes
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi all, I've put a summary of the locations for testing of the various elements related to adding the object element (to provide descriptions of real or fictional objects) on the github issue at: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/327#issuecomment-433548949 with links to the reference pages, first draft of Guidelines prose (needs more work), etc. I made minor changes to some descriptions other elements (like physDesc or msContents) to include 'or other object' to make them usable for <object>. I wasn't doing a full build locally (just generating Relax NG schema to test) and so when checking into Jenkins I had a variety of errors pop up that I mention now just for shared experience. All fairly trivial: - ambiguous content models. I'd accidentally included listObject and model.objectLike (object, listObject) in the content model of listObject and sensibly it pointed out that would be ambiguous. - duplicate xml:id's -- I have (for now) used the same example in the object/listObject and Guidelines prose, and of course the xml:id's were duplicated so I had to go and change them -The most fun error was when I put in a commit message that it was correcting an error. Jenkins sees the word 'error' in its output and assumes this must mean there is an error and so fails the job overall! ;-) Needed: - Suggestions of some other named objects for examples - More and better examples, especially less anglo/western - More prose for the Guidelines - Proofreading corrections - Any problems... Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Re: [Tei-council] Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi all, Between filling out the doodle poll and us deciding the date I've had a commitment that I can't move come up on the evening of 16 November, so will have to miss that meeting. My apologies. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 25 October 2018 15:21:51 To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org Subject: [Tei-council] Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences Dear all, I added the dates for the Council and Stylesheets meetings to our shared google calendar. I hope I did not mix anything up. Council meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month) Fri, 16 November 2018, 20Z Mon, 17 December 2018, 13Z Fri, 18 January 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 February 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 March 2019, 20Z Mon, 15 April 2019, 13Z Fri, 17 May 2019, 20Z Mon, 17 June 2019, 13Z Stylesheets meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month, opposite of Council meeting) Mon, 19 November 2018, 13Z Fri, 21 Dezember 2018, 20Z Mon, 21 January 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 February 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 March 2019, 13Z Fri, 19 April 2019, 20Z Mon, 20 May 2019, 13Z Fri, 21 June 2019, 20Z Best wishes, Martina

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Re: [Tei-council] Tokyo Per Diem
by James Cummings 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Hi Syd, My recollection was that we used the 70% of the USA rate when in the USA and not externally because the rate often was misjudged outside... but it may be that I was entirely reversed on that recollection. Maybe it was the reverse. I honestly am not sure and haven't found any documentation on it. I've submitted mine already but happy to use whatever Hugh says is right. ;-) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Syd Bauman <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu> Sent: 25 October 2018 18:27:29 To: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Tokyo Per Diem I came at it from a different direction, but get the same result as RV: The US Department of State Meals & Incidentals per diem rate for Tokyo is $227. (RV went to gsa.gov; I went to state.gov.) But I have a recollection that we are supposed to use 70% of that rate,[1] but cannot find documentation which says that, or which gives the division into breakfast, lunch, and dinner. RV, where did you find it? Anyone else know where it is? The documentation at https://wiki.tei-c.org/index.php/Travel_Reimbursement_Procedures_for_Counci… does not include this information. Notes ----- [1] Which would be $158.90, which is still an awful lot of money for one day of eating in Tokyo, at least where we were. Unless I hear otherwise, that's what I'm planning to use. _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Council and Stylesheets Teleconferences
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 26 Oct '18

26 Oct '18

Dear all, I added the dates for the Council and Stylesheets meetings to our shared google calendar. I hope I did not mix anything up. Council meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month) Fri, 16 November 2018, 20Z Mon, 17 December 2018, 13Z Fri, 18 January 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 February 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 March 2019, 20Z Mon, 15 April 2019, 13Z Fri, 17 May 2019, 20Z Mon, 17 June 2019, 13Z Stylesheets meetings (alternating 3rd Monday 13Z and 3rd Friday 20Z a month, opposite of Council meeting) Mon, 19 November 2018, 13Z Fri, 21 Dezember 2018, 20Z Mon, 21 January 2019, 13Z Fri, 15 February 2019, 20Z Mon, 18 March 2019, 13Z Fri, 19 April 2019, 20Z Mon, 20 May 2019, 13Z Fri, 21 June 2019, 20Z Best wishes, Martina

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Tokyo Per Diem
by Raffaele Viglianti 25 Oct '18

25 Oct '18

Hi folks, PSA about the per diem in Tokyo: US Dept. of State rate for Meal and Incidental Expense rate in Tokyo is $227 The breakdown (source: https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates/fy2018-mie-breakdown#1h ): Breakfast: 34 Lunch: 57 Dinner: 91 Incidentals: 45 (but remember we're supposed to keep this under 20 or submit receipts) Syd (and others), which meals did you pay for the group? We had fewer lunches / dinners together this year IIRC. I covered the okonomiyaki dinner on 2018/09/07 with council members: RV (+1), SS, JC, EBB. Hope everyone had smooth travel back home! Raff

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Reminder: Scheduling Spring F2F
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 25 Oct '18

25 Oct '18

Dear Council, please fill out the doodle for the Spring F2F meeting in case you haven't done yet: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Thanks! Best wishes, Martina

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Rep: TEI workshop at Assyriologists conference
by Vanessa Bigot-Juloux 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Dear Martina, Dear colleagues, I had a look at the minutes and saw that Vanessa added an item to the agenda that I missed during the meeting, sorry for that! No worries--I have added it belatedly. Regarding TEI workshop proposal: We haven’t received a call of session yet, so it is just something I would like to suggest to the organizers of this International conference. I think it can be a good opportunity to introduce TEI to neophytes. A suggestion of TEI workshop for Assyriologists which needs to be improved of course: - Morning session, TEI intensive overview based from Assyriological data: * What is TEI? * How TEI can help Assyriologists to improve their research wether it’s for philology, paleography, anthropology or other archaeological purposes (including a practical example with a list of goals for a specific project in order to be used (later during the morning session) to look for the good <elements> and @attributes). * What must a TEI practitioner need to know (TEI, ODD, XPath, XSLT, CSS) and why? * Short pratical examples: TEI (teiCorpus), XPath, XSLT (via Oxygen + preview in a browser). * How to read/use the guidelines (1) (used simultaneously with the practical examples). - Afternoon session: * How to read/use the guidelines (2). * What software to use and where to find assistance regarding this software? * Overview of TEI community and how to use Github in order to ask assistance to TEI community. * First step (suggestion to TEI tech council) to neophyte: TEI online mentoring, who, why and how? As for the morning session, I suggest working on a few practical examples (very short) that participants will send prior to the workshop in order to allow them to have a better idea of how TEI can help them. In addition, on a handout: a list of univ. who propose TEI/Xpath/XSLT training and online course (i.e.: Marjorie and Elena online training). After the sessions, I suggest giving a short questionnaire in order to list the needs of Assyriologists and how we can improve our guidelines/assistance to them. What do you think? Of course it means I’ll need support for this intensive day—from my university (i.e. Peter Stokes if he’s available during summer time) or a TEI tech council colleague (in Europe?). In advance, thanks for your kind advices. Best, Vanessa Le 23 oct. 2018 à 00:07, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear Vanessa and all, I had a look at the minutes and saw that Vanessa added an item to the agenda that I missed during the meeting, sorry for that! It is about the TEI workshop for ancient Near Eastern (ANE) scholars during the international conference of Assyriologists in July (Paris) https://iaassyriology.com/past-rencontres/ Vanessa, is it something that we can discuss via email? Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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TEI workshop at Assyriologists conference
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 23 Oct '18

23 Oct '18

Dear Vanessa and all, I had a look at the minutes and saw that Vanessa added an item to the agenda that I missed during the meeting, sorry for that! It is about the TEI workshop for ancient Near Eastern (ANE) scholars during the international conference of Assyriologists in July (Paris) https://iaassyriology.com/past-rencontres/ Vanessa, is it something that we can discuss via email? Best wishes, Martina

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Scheduling Spring F2F
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 22 Oct '18

22 Oct '18

Dear all, here is our doodle poll for scheduling the Spring F2F meeting: https://doodle.com/poll/yp3uucnqmmiqyc9v Our meeting is supposed to be three days. I hope we will find three days in a row, where everyone has time. Please vote! Best wishes, Martina

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call in 30 minutes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 22 Oct '18

22 Oct '18

Hi all, we start our call in 30 minutes. See the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_Zo-s-PQeMCKwJPmGYbs0F9CMD0VcQe4Vie_Yo… Hangouts: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/brown.edu/teicouncil Best, Martina

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open issues
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 19 Oct '18

19 Oct '18

Dear all, I've put the issues that we skipped last time into the agenda for Monday. Maybe you'll have time to look at one or the other: * https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1795 - Language of Schematron messages where @role="nonfatal" and @role="warning" * Related: Issue with merging https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1621 into dev branch--apparently something breaks the Jenkins build--investigating. * https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1707 : EB: quick update on measurement: Naoki's new sample code based on Tokyo decisions. * https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1805 - Suggestion for new uniHan element * https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1756 - event should have ptr and idno in its content model Best wishes, Martina

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Next call: October 22
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 18 Oct '18

18 Oct '18

Dear all, our next call is on Monday, October 22 from 09:00-10:30 EDT / 14-15:30 BST / 15-16:30 CEST. Please add your topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_Zo-s-PQeMCKwJPmGYbs0F9CMD0VcQe4Vie_Yo… This is the hangouts link: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/brown.edu/teicouncil Best wishes, Martina Martina Scholger Zentrum für Informationsmodellierung Austrian Centre for Digital Humanities Universität Graz A-8010 Graz | Elisabethstraße 59/III +43 316 380 2291 martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.semlak@uni-graz.at> http://informationsmodellierung.uni-graz.at<http://informationsmodellierung.uni-graz.at/> | http://gams.uni-graz.at<http://gams.uni-graz.at/> Chair of the TEI Technical Council | http://www.tei-c.org/ Institut für Dokumentologie und Editorik e.V. | https://www.i-d-e.de/

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Re: [Tei-council] thinking about oXygen
by James Cummings 15 Oct '18

15 Oct '18

Hi Peter, I guess that is a more reasoned approach. I'm not against it as a way forward, but if the money isn't too much (we don't know yet and how do we define 'much') and it helps a lot of people (again we don't really know, but certainly suspect it will), then it does seem reasonable. I'd be more concerned if it was taking a lot of time of council members. ;-) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Peter Stadler <pstadler(a)mail.uni-paderborn.de> Sent: 12 October 2018 17:09:45 To: James Cummings Cc: Martin Holmes; Syd Bauman; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] thinking about oXygen I’d like to see Alex’ response on how much it would cost and some estimation on how easy it would then be to maintain. I completely agree with Martin that the main motivation is to support older oXygen versions (which is common with our users, AFAIK). Finally, I think that money would be wisely spent, i.e. it shouldn’t be much but plenty of people will benefit (saying this without knowing any statistics …). Best Peter Am 12.10.2018 um 18:02 schrieb James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk>>: I'm increasingly of the opinion that our provision of the oxygen-tei framework is an optional extra and that it should just keep pace with the current version of the TEI and the current release of oXygen. If changes in oXygen mean that older version of it are no longer supported, so be it. I say that as someone who now doesn't have an institutional subscription to oXygen. I'm not saying that is the fairest or best decision for overall impact and outreach, but it might be the easiest in terms of managing our meagre time resources. Willing to be convinced to change my mind though. ;-) James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org>> on behalf of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca<mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>> Sent: 12 October 2018 16:20:34 To: s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu<mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] thinking about oXygen The ticket Alex raised has all the details: <https://github.com/TEIC/oxygen-tei/issues/27> I don't think I can explain it any better than that. My sense is that we're basically faced with: 1. Abandoning support for older versions of Oxygen in order to provide a fully-working interface with support for all the new features in the Oxygen interface in current versions. 2. Creating special tags for every version of Oxygen in which new features are introduced, and building a separate version of the plugin for each of those tags every time we build, with every build requiring the use of its own version of the oxygen.jar file. I don't like either of these options, frankly. #1 is bad because the only reason for maintaining the plugin at all is that people with older versions of Oxygen can keep their TEI and Stylesheets code up to date. #2 is a potential nightmare from the maintenance and bugfixing point of view. What happens if one particular version fails to build? Do we release all the other versions and not that one, or do we hold them all back till the bug is fixed? But the main problem is that we no longer have anyone with any expertise regarding the Oxygen plugin. A few years ago I taught myself enough about it to write a build file to create the various versions we currently maintain (the stable one, the bleeding-edge one, and the release one). I don't remember enough to feel confident about doing any of this work right now, and I don't have time to re-learn what I used to know (which probably wasn't enough anyway). Really, we need two or three people to take a deep dive into this and take responsibility for it. At the Council meeting, though, I think Magda was tasked with asking Alex if he would do the initial setup for us as a paid job. Cheers, Martin On 2018-10-11 09:29 AM, Syd Bauman wrote: > First, hope Michael didn't beat you up too badly, Sarah. > > Back in late Sep when we did a Stylesheets release we agreed to defer > a release of the oXygen plug-in for a bit. So we probably need to > have a discussion about what we are going to do. > > As a reminder, the results of this summer's survey on oXygen usage > is: > > | count majorVersion > | ----- ------------ > | 12 17 > | 6 18 > | 2 16 > | 2 14 > | 1 20 > | 1 15 > | 1 19 > > And of the 5 people using versions 16 or older, 2 or 3 of 'em hope we > continue to support the older version. > > Could Martin or James or someone else who understands this better > than I do kick off the discussion with a summary of the problem(s)? > _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] thinking about oXygen
by James Cummings 12 Oct '18

12 Oct '18

I'm increasingly of the opinion that our provision of the oxygen-tei framework is an optional extra and that it should just keep pace with the current version of the TEI and the current release of oXygen. If changes in oXygen mean that older version of it are no longer supported, so be it. I say that as someone who now doesn't have an institutional subscription to oXygen. I'm not saying that is the fairest or best decision for overall impact and outreach, but it might be the easiest in terms of managing our meagre time resources. Willing to be convinced to change my mind though. ;-) James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> Sent: 12 October 2018 16:20:34 To: s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] thinking about oXygen The ticket Alex raised has all the details: <https://github.com/TEIC/oxygen-tei/issues/27> I don't think I can explain it any better than that. My sense is that we're basically faced with: 1. Abandoning support for older versions of Oxygen in order to provide a fully-working interface with support for all the new features in the Oxygen interface in current versions. 2. Creating special tags for every version of Oxygen in which new features are introduced, and building a separate version of the plugin for each of those tags every time we build, with every build requiring the use of its own version of the oxygen.jar file. I don't like either of these options, frankly. #1 is bad because the only reason for maintaining the plugin at all is that people with older versions of Oxygen can keep their TEI and Stylesheets code up to date. #2 is a potential nightmare from the maintenance and bugfixing point of view. What happens if one particular version fails to build? Do we release all the other versions and not that one, or do we hold them all back till the bug is fixed? But the main problem is that we no longer have anyone with any expertise regarding the Oxygen plugin. A few years ago I taught myself enough about it to write a build file to create the various versions we currently maintain (the stable one, the bleeding-edge one, and the release one). I don't remember enough to feel confident about doing any of this work right now, and I don't have time to re-learn what I used to know (which probably wasn't enough anyway). Really, we need two or three people to take a deep dive into this and take responsibility for it. At the Council meeting, though, I think Magda was tasked with asking Alex if he would do the initial setup for us as a paid job. Cheers, Martin On 2018-10-11 09:29 AM, Syd Bauman wrote: > First, hope Michael didn't beat you up too badly, Sarah. > > Back in late Sep when we did a Stylesheets release we agreed to defer > a release of the oXygen plug-in for a bit. So we probably need to > have a discussion about what we are going to do. > > As a reminder, the results of this summer's survey on oXygen usage > is: > > | count majorVersion > | ----- ------------ > | 12 17 > | 6 18 > | 2 16 > | 2 14 > | 1 20 > | 1 15 > | 1 19 > > And of the 5 people using versions 16 or older, 2 or 3 of 'em hope we > continue to support the older version. > > Could Martin or James or someone else who understands this better > than I do kick off the discussion with a summary of the problem(s)? > _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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thinking about oXygen
by Syd Bauman 12 Oct '18

12 Oct '18

First, hope Michael didn't beat you up too badly, Sarah. Back in late Sep when we did a Stylesheets release we agreed to defer a release of the oXygen plug-in for a bit. So we probably need to have a discussion about what we are going to do. As a reminder, the results of this summer's survey on oXygen usage is: | count majorVersion | ----- ------------ | 12 17 | 6 18 | 2 16 | 2 14 | 1 20 | 1 15 | 1 19 And of the 5 people using versions 16 or older, 2 or 3 of 'em hope we continue to support the older version. Could Martin or James or someone else who understands this better than I do kick off the discussion with a summary of the problem(s)?

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Next call: October 22
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 12 Oct '18

12 Oct '18

Dear all, the best option for our next call is Monday, October 22 from 9:00-10:30 EDT, 14-15:30 BST, 15-16:30 CEST. This is the link to the agenda, please add your topics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_Zo-s-PQeMCKwJPmGYbs0F9CMD0VcQe4Vie_Yo… Elli, please let me know if you can start the call. Best wishes, Martina

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Re: [Tei-council] Spring F2F meeting
by James Cummings 12 Oct '18

12 Oct '18

Apologies for the delay in responding. To confirm, I'd be willing to host a council meeting here in Newcastle. I could also do so in future years if that was preferable. Venues: There are two possible venues: A) One is the city centre campus, for which I could find one or more meeting rooms, downtown has plenty of hotels, airbnb, restaurants and that sort of thing. B) The other possible venue would be about 9 miles out of the city centre (direct metro line) in either a hotel conference room (at charge) or the Dove Marine Laboratory. This is a research institution in a victorian building right on the beach in Cullercoats bay https://goo.gl/maps/cJLSCEX8jHS2, a short walk south is Tynemouth (lots of trendy restaurants, cafes, lovely ruined medieval priory). I've been to university workshops at the Dove and will investigate the rules for booking it. No idea if it is free then. There is also a 'Premier Inn' hotel with conference rooms in Whitley Bay right next to the iconic recently refurbished Spanish City building (mentioned in a Dire Straits song if you are into such trivia). Travel: Newcastle Airport is connected to the city by a quick, fairly inexpensive and frequent metro system (that goes out to the coast and covers the whole metropolis area between Newcastle, the coast, and Sunderland.) Newcastle Airport is usually 1 hop to most major interchanges (via Heathrow, Schiphol, etc.) Dates: As we're really far North (literally, Hadrian's wall used to run through Newcastle), then later is better in terms of weather. In terms of the university calendar the Easter Break is from Friday 29 March to Monday 29 April. Good Friday is 19 April, Easter Monday: 22 April. I only mention it because these are probably not good days to travel or find open restaurants for large groups. I'm busy in the week 1-5 April doing a TEI workshop. This actually presents an opportunity where we might have budget to help with the travel for 1 (or 2 max) council members if they were also teaching on that workshop. This would mean maybe having it sometime in 6 - 12 April. According to weather.com historically that is like 9-10C/48-50F around that time of year (and windy on the coast). Some random videos: University promotional ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3jR3NvU-TY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htlYW8RppWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okf1pmDkem8 Cullercoats bay with Dove Marine Laboratory in the middle, boring drone footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKf4hZNWRM Whitley Bay and Tynemouth, better drone footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn5nx6VIAhw Spanish City (during refurb) boring drone footage: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4dHu_t9ETM>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxHW3j83IDY Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Mylonas, Elli <elli_mylonas(a)brown.edu> Sent: 03 October 2018 23:23:52 To: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Spring F2F meeting I can host at Brown most of the spring term. Some better and some blackout dates: When students aren't here: Long weekend Feb 16-19 Spring break Mar 23-31 NOT POSSIBLE - April 4-5 best, --elli On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 4:05 PM Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: Dear all, picking up on the minutes from our last call I would ask everyone who offered to host the next Spring F2F meeting to confirm their willingness to do so and to set out the possibilities in terms of place and date before our next call. We should figure out what is feasible as soon as possible. We have offers from: Elli at Brown University in Providence James at Newcastle University Magdalena in Warsaw Raff at Folger Library in Washington D.C. Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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