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Re: [Tei-council] release notes
by James Cummings 15 Jul '19

15 Jul '19

Dear Lou, That's a good idea (an ODD chaining test as part of the test suite). Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Lou Burnard <lou.burnard(a)retired.ox.ac.uk> Sent: 15 July 2019 16:40 To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Subject: Re: [Tei-council] release notes On 15/07/2019 09:17, James Cummings wrote: In release notes do things like: === A zip file with examples for ODD chaining has been added to the /TEIC/TEI/Documents/pureODD directory (#1882). === really belong since it is for a tutorial outside of the Guidelines that Council isn't writing? I was a bit surprised to see that too: a simple corrigible error, noted by a ticket, and duly fixed, but hey why not. It reminds me to remind Council that it would really be a good idea to include an odd chaining test in the test suite. Though perhaps not until the long outstanding bugs in odd2odd have been fixed.

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release notes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 14 Jul '19

14 Jul '19

Dear all, please have a look at the release notes: https://jenkins.tei-c.org/job/TEIP5-dev/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/P5/rel… Best, Martina

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F2F meeting in Graz
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 12 Jul '19

12 Jul '19

Dear Council, I've put some information together for the F2F meeting in Graz: a skeleton agenda and travel information (see https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RGocTJ3hOIVy1p9gMqMjOObwNSPD3WCn) Please add your travel details to the table. Let me know if I can help with anything regarding your trip to and stay in Graz. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Graz soon! Martina

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release--where are we?
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 11 Jul '19

11 Jul '19

Dear Council, Since we are already in the middle of the freeze period, are there still any (big) issues to resolve? Elisa put a lot of work into measurement and I think it is ready to go. I'm also wondering about the pull request from Duncan on the uniHan issue - I think he met Phase 0, 1, 2, and 5. How should we proceed with that? Please have a look at the milestone and remove issues that do not go into the release: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/milestones/Guidelines%203.6.0. There is already a milestone 3.7.0. Best, Martina

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nesting TEI, standoff
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 11 Jul '19

11 Jul '19

Dear all, I would like to respond to the TEI-L regarding our request for feedback on nesting TEI and deprecating teiCorpus, and thank them for the discussion. In light of the discussion I believe the nesting TEI is off the table for the upcoming release. I'll set this on the agenda for the F2F meeting in Graz. Furthermore, I want to propose to dedicate the Monday afternoon in Graz - which is the last day of our F2F meeting - to the standoff discussion and ask the original proposers (and perhaps others who were involved with the discussion) to join the meeting if they happen to be in Graz early. This could be a break-out group, while other Council members not directly involved in the discussion could continue to work on other issues. A half day is certainly not enough, but that could lead to a follow-up workshop, as we had already considered. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes, Martina

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Minutes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 10 Jul '19

10 Jul '19

Dear all, We are now up to date with the publication of our minutes (see https://tei-c.org/activities/council/meetings/) While the 2019 minutes were approved by a Council member (thanks to all for your help with approving them), last year's minutes were not approved. I cleaned them up in suggestion mode, so everything is traceable in case Council decides to approve them in retrospect. I'll send an email to the TEI-L and announce the publication of the F2F Washington minutes. Best wishes, Martina

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Hot freezer (release)
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 08 Jul '19

08 Jul '19

Council friends and colleagues— Just a quick message to say, I think we still have a few important tickets to finish. Measurement (#1707) is one— I am distracted a moment until I give a short talk tomorrow AM here in Utrecht, but I want to keep working on it tomorrow a bit— I think we can do it. Can we try to pack in the major changes and, well, freeze by this weekend? Elisa Sent from my iPhone

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minor schema-altering corrigible error fixed
by Syd Bauman 07 Jul '19

07 Jul '19

I just discovered that the TEI schema had "alternate" as one of the values for classRef/@expand. The prose in the Guidelines, the remarks in the tagdoc, and the Stylesheets all say it should be "alternation". I see this as a corrigible error, and thus have fixed it. It is, however, a schema-changing alteration, and thus should be announced quite up-front in the release notes. BTW, I have checked through all of the Examplars, and none were using either value. See issues #1903 and #1904.

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Stylesheets PR 374 -- a no-brainer?!
by Peter Stadler 05 Jul '19

05 Jul '19

anyone against merging https://github.com/TEIC/Stylesheets/pull/374 ? [This simply adds a section to the Stylesheets Readme about the TEI] If no one objects, I will hit the merge button in the next days. Best Peter

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new Stylesheets PR #385
by Peter Stadler 05 Jul '19

05 Jul '19

Hi all, sorry for introducing yet another late breaking PR, but this is something I already fixed some time ago and then had forgotten about it. I just stumbled across while revisiting my open issues … Maybe someone finds some time to have a look? Many thanks in advance Peter

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build broken again, blaming Syd
by Peter Stadler 05 Jul '19

05 Jul '19

Hi Syd, your recent commit "Work on #1867“ https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/commit/8c67de23c612248f399962451100fd9de1dc812c broke the build with the error message "error: duplicate attribute „type““. I see that this is a combined issue of Guidelines #1867 and Stylesheets #370 where probably the Stylesheets need to be fixed first. So, since we are in refridge period I think it’d be better to revert that change and/or move this work into a separate branch. Best Peter

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Condensing (or compressing) Refrigeration?
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 03 Jul '19

03 Jul '19

Dear Councillors, My calendar tells me we have entered the Refrigeration period leading to the Freeze scheduled for 9 July next week. I have seen that Refrigeration is often, ironically, a moment of heated work as we try to resolve big issues and introduce something we care about for the next release. I am trying that now with the long overdue Measurement code (unitDecl, unitDef, etc), which really ought to be coming out. I see intense activity with uniHan right now and wonder if that too is targeted for this release? Here are some timing issues and updates. I have communicated with my original release tech partner, Vanessa, and we agreed that, given the lack of time she has had lately to work with us and concentrate on the TEI, that it is best she defer being a release tech until another time. As I see it, too, I expect this release to be challenging—I am expecting the unexpected—because of all the server issues recently and because the dev branch is still unstable with all the unwanted excitement over the simplePrint ODD. Vanessa asked me to convey her sincere apologies to Council for her absences and lack of time. I hope after the season of deep preoccupation and sadness that she will rejoin us with all the energy I know she has, but now is not the moment. I am thankful to Magdalena for volunteering to host me near Warsaw after the DH2019 conference next week, and she agreed that the two of us will be the release techs. As we look at prepping this next release, timing now really depends on both of us. I’m visiting her from 13-20 July—and I think Magdalena has her own travel plans starting (Saturday) 20 July. I think we’re safest if things go wrong to make sure we do the release in the middle of that week. But it sounds like we’re still heatedly coding toward this release, so I’d like to take stock of what we can complete just now—and reset the Refrigeration period, also perhaps scale back on some maybe too ambitious things we thought we could feasibly complete so we can properly refrigerate. Thoughts? What’s the state of the dev branch just now? Also, I will be flying to Utrecht to arrive for DH2019 on 6 July. Best, Elisa Sent from my iPhone

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shooting the messenger : make still broken
by Lou Burnard 03 Jul '19

03 Jul '19

Thinking about this debacle again, it seems to me that the approach taken in issue #370 (oh tei_simpleprint.odd has stopped working: so there must be something wrong with it) is really not defensible. 1. The unmodified tei_simplePrint odd is structured in exactly the same way as countless other ODDs, not excluding the TEI Guidelines. It has free floating globs of specification elements, which are invoked from a single schemaSpec by means of specGrpRefs. 2. The only thing which is slightly different about it is that some objects are declared more than once in multiple specGrps, with @mode=change. This is because the specGrps are organised thematically (for example one contains changes needed to introduce processing models, another contains changes needed to introduce schematron rules). This kind of logical organisation is perfectly reasonable as far as I am aware, indeed why else bother to have specGrps. 3. The only objection I can see to it is that an ODD processor has to decide how to combine two or more @mode=change specs. It's not just a matter of applying one set of changes: there may be a bunch of them. This is kind of the way unification grammars work in NLP: you build up the complete spec one bit at a time. Yes, occasionally you may find contradictions -- one spec adds an attribute x (say) which another one deletes, or gives a different datatype to. But this is not the only place where ODD processing is underspecified and rules of thumb are not hard to imagine (e.g. delete always wins; in the absence of delete, most recent modification always wins; etc.). 4. Moreover, and this is where I am really a bit annoyed, THIS USED TO WORK! So some infrastructural change has made it impossible to run the makefile and impossible to use the simpleprint odd as originally designed. And instead of trying to find what change has caused this, we are shooting the messenger. This my friends is called zealotry. In the immortal words of Michael SpMcQ in another recent context, "please don't".

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Re: [Tei-council] Roma and oxgarage in Newcastle
by James Cummings 03 Jul '19

03 Jul '19

Hi Peter, I did so by docker (don't you remember me badgering you with questions!). Will you be in Utrecht next week for DH? If so then maybe we can sit down and figure out what I did wrong. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Peter Stadler <pstadler(a)mail.uni-paderborn.de> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:06:51 AM To: James Cummings Cc: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Roma and oxgarage in Newcastle Great news! Did you install from the Docker image or „by hand“? (because looking at your oxgarage I see that there are some failing AJAX requests to http://atnu-oxgarage.ncl.ac.uk/oxgarage/ege-webservice/Conversions/ and if it was the Docker image I’d like to fix it ;) Best Peter > Am 02.07.2019 um 21:37 schrieb James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk>: > > > Hi all, > > Just to mention that I installed (new) Roma and Oxgarage in Newcastle at: > > http://atnu-oxgarage.ncl.ac.uk/ > > And > > http://atnu-roma.ncl.ac.uk > > On a dev VM and not stable enough to bother mapping tei-c.org urls to but thought I'd mention it in case all the others go down for some reason. The git repo for Oxgarage stylesheets should be updating (git pull -q) every 30 minutes. > > Many thanks, > James > > -- > Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk > School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University > > _______________________________________________ > Tei-council mailing list > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Roma and oxgarage in Newcastle
by James Cummings 03 Jul '19

03 Jul '19

Hi all, Just to mention that I installed (new) Roma and Oxgarage in Newcastle at: http://atnu-oxgarage.ncl.ac.uk/ And http://atnu-roma.ncl.ac.uk<http://atnu-roma.ncl.ac.uk/> On a dev VM and not stable enough to bother mapping tei-c.org urls to but thought I'd mention it in case all the others go down for some reason. The git repo for Oxgarage stylesheets should be updating (git pull -q) every 30 minutes. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

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Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus
by James Cummings 02 Jul '19

02 Jul '19

It occurs to me that 2b could also say "choosing to more strongly exemplify nesting TEI or not" (i.e. we could choose to not do anything about it, allow nesting, continue to exemplify TEICorpus, or move to exemplifying nesting TEI more) So 2b is really two possibilities. Poorly phrased on my part. ;-) -James Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr> Sent: 01 July 2019 10:49 To: James Cummings Cc: Martina Scholger; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus Dear all, I am in phase with James’s note below. We could clarify rapidly while leaving options open. Laurent Le 1 juil. 2019 à 11:45, James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk>> a écrit : Hi Laurent, Martina, Council, etc. In terms of responding on TEI-L, this should be done promptly, I think immediately. Someone should take pains to point out again the two different and quite separate issues at hand: 1) For the standoff proposal, not wanting teiHeader in places other than it usually appears has created the suggestion of nesting TEI elements. This may or may not be a good solution for those wanting the standoff element or other people. 2) If, and only if, the council implemented the ability to nest TEI elements, this sort of makes TEICorpus redundant. In that case we are considering the possibilities of a) a long deprecation of TEICorpus, or b) choosing to more strongly exemplify nesting TEI or c) not deprecating in any way. Some may feel we should have both ways of doing things, some that we should de-exemplify TEICorpus, and some that should not deprecate or de-exemplify it at all. It is really issue 2 that we are asking the community about. Just my two pence, Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org>> on behalf of Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Sent: 01 July 2019 09:22 To: Martina Scholger Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus Dear Martina, I need to set my planning for the week, but I could set up Monday afternoon as a possible slot. Best wishes, Laurent Le 1 juil. 2019 à 10:10, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear Laurent, The Council will meet from September 14 to 16 (Sat-Mon). Would it be possible for you to join the Council meeting for a half day / a couple of hours to discuss standoff and other ling issues? Best, Martina Von: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Gesendet: Montag, 01. Juli 2019 07:39 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: feedback on teiCorpus Dear all, The main point I see is that by linking the two issues, we have been weak in argumentent for any of them. The causal chain from [teiHeader should not be in stadOff] to [teiCorpus] must be dropped is tiny, and we need to see whether we should not deal with things more independently from one another (in whatever order). I had started to elaborate the stdOff case in the scenario document but truly the recursive TEI discussion took us most of our discussion time. This is subtle and mail is not necessarily the best channel. Would Graz be a good place for making progress f2f? Best wishes, Laurent Le 30 juin 2019 à 23:31, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear all, There have been several replies and questions sparked by our email about nesting TEI, deprecating teiCorpus, and standoff. One of the most prominent questions is that people want to know more about the standoff element. Is there a documentation that we can share with the list? Is this (https://github.com/sydb/stdfSpec/tree/linkDataBlock/Specification) in a state to be shared? The second major reaction was that several people ask for a reason why teiCorpus should be deprecated. How do we want to proceed with this? I believe that we should address this soon. Best, Martina Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org>> Im Auftrag von Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Juni 2019 23:32 An: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus Dear all, thanks for your comments and suggestions. If there are no objections until tomorrow at noon, I’ll send it to the list. Best, Martina Von: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juni 2019 20:54 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: feedback on teiCorpus Cool! I have edited the footnote and commented on the deprecation time. Best wishes and thanks for the lead on this, Laurent Le 24 juin 2019 à 19:04, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear Laurent, dear Council, As discussed, we want to send an email to the TEI-L announcing the introduction of nesting TEI elements and asking for feedback on the proposal to deprecate <teiCorpus>. I made a first draft for this email here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jlk0FUHjUKlN-1-WAqhlhYReT2yq_eIbYP66osk…) and ask you to chime in. I suggest to send this on Wednesday. Best wishes, Martina Laurent Romary Inria, team ALMAnaCH laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr> Laurent Romary Inria, team ALMAnaCH laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr> Laurent Romary Inria, team ALMAnaCH laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>

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Re: [Tei-council] Condensing (or compressing) Refrigeration?
by James Cummings 02 Jul '19

02 Jul '19

Hi Elisa, It would not be the first time that the refrigeration process was condensed. I think the timetable always expresses our ideal intention. I'm of the opinion that getting the build back to building cleanly (and then things like measurement ticket) should be our priority over the precise dates we originally set out. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebbondar(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:42:52 PM To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org Subject: [Tei-council] Condensing (or compressing) Refrigeration? Dear Councillors, My calendar tells me we have entered the Refrigeration period leading to the Freeze scheduled for 9 July next week. I have seen that Refrigeration is often, ironically, a moment of heated work as we try to resolve big issues and introduce something we care about for the next release. I am trying that now with the long overdue Measurement code (unitDecl, unitDef, etc), which really ought to be coming out. I see intense activity with uniHan right now and wonder if that too is targeted for this release? Here are some timing issues and updates. I have communicated with my original release tech partner, Vanessa, and we agreed that, given the lack of time she has had lately to work with us and concentrate on the TEI, that it is best she defer being a release tech until another time. As I see it, too, I expect this release to be challenging—I am expecting the unexpected—because of all the server issues recently and because the dev branch is still unstable with all the unwanted excitement over the simplePrint ODD. Vanessa asked me to convey her sincere apologies to Council for her absences and lack of time. I hope after the season of deep preoccupation and sadness that she will rejoin us with all the energy I know she has, but now is not the moment. I am thankful to Magdalena for volunteering to host me near Warsaw after the DH2019 conference next week, and she agreed that the two of us will be the release techs. As we look at prepping this next release, timing now really depends on both of us. I’m visiting her from 13-20 July—and I think Magdalena has her own travel plans starting (Saturday) 20 July. I think we’re safest if things go wrong to make sure we do the release in the middle of that week. But it sounds like we’re still heatedly coding toward this release, so I’d like to take stock of what we can complete just now—and reset the Refrigeration period, also perhaps scale back on some maybe too ambitious things we thought we could feasibly complete so we can properly refrigerate. Thoughts? What’s the state of the dev branch just now? Also, I will be flying to Utrecht to arrive for DH2019 on 6 July. Best, Elisa Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus
by James Cummings 01 Jul '19

01 Jul '19

Hi Laurent, Martina, Council, etc. In terms of responding on TEI-L, this should be done promptly, I think immediately. Someone should take pains to point out again the two different and quite separate issues at hand: 1) For the standoff proposal, not wanting teiHeader in places other than it usually appears has created the suggestion of nesting TEI elements. This may or may not be a good solution for those wanting the standoff element or other people. 2) If, and only if, the council implemented the ability to nest TEI elements, this sort of makes TEICorpus redundant. In that case we are considering the possibilities of a) a long deprecation of TEICorpus, or b) choosing to more strongly exemplify nesting TEI or c) not deprecating in any way. Some may feel we should have both ways of doing things, some that we should de-exemplify TEICorpus, and some that should not deprecate or de-exemplify it at all. It is really issue 2 that we are asking the community about. Just my two pence, Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr> Sent: 01 July 2019 09:22 To: Martina Scholger Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus Dear Martina, I need to set my planning for the week, but I could set up Monday afternoon as a possible slot. Best wishes, Laurent Le 1 juil. 2019 à 10:10, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear Laurent, The Council will meet from September 14 to 16 (Sat-Mon). Would it be possible for you to join the Council meeting for a half day / a couple of hours to discuss standoff and other ling issues? Best, Martina Von: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Gesendet: Montag, 01. Juli 2019 07:39 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: feedback on teiCorpus Dear all, The main point I see is that by linking the two issues, we have been weak in argumentent for any of them. The causal chain from [teiHeader should not be in stadOff] to [teiCorpus] must be dropped is tiny, and we need to see whether we should not deal with things more independently from one another (in whatever order). I had started to elaborate the stdOff case in the scenario document but truly the recursive TEI discussion took us most of our discussion time. This is subtle and mail is not necessarily the best channel. Would Graz be a good place for making progress f2f? Best wishes, Laurent Le 30 juin 2019 à 23:31, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear all, There have been several replies and questions sparked by our email about nesting TEI, deprecating teiCorpus, and standoff. One of the most prominent questions is that people want to know more about the standoff element. Is there a documentation that we can share with the list? Is this (https://github.com/sydb/stdfSpec/tree/linkDataBlock/Specification) in a state to be shared? The second major reaction was that several people ask for a reason why teiCorpus should be deprecated. How do we want to proceed with this? I believe that we should address this soon. Best, Martina Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org>> Im Auftrag von Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Juni 2019 23:32 An: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] feedback on teiCorpus Dear all, thanks for your comments and suggestions. If there are no objections until tomorrow at noon, I’ll send it to the list. Best, Martina Von: Laurent Romary <laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juni 2019 20:54 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: feedback on teiCorpus Cool! I have edited the footnote and commented on the deprecation time. Best wishes and thanks for the lead on this, Laurent Le 24 juin 2019 à 19:04, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> a écrit : Dear Laurent, dear Council, As discussed, we want to send an email to the TEI-L announcing the introduction of nesting TEI elements and asking for feedback on the proposal to deprecate <teiCorpus>. I made a first draft for this email here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jlk0FUHjUKlN-1-WAqhlhYReT2yq_eIbYP66osk…) and ask you to chime in. I suggest to send this on Wednesday. Best wishes, Martina Laurent Romary Inria, team ALMAnaCH laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr> Laurent Romary Inria, team ALMAnaCH laurent.romary(a)inria.fr<mailto:laurent.romary@inria.fr>

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feedback on teiCorpus
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 01 Jul '19

01 Jul '19

Dear Laurent, dear Council, As discussed, we want to send an email to the TEI-L announcing the introduction of nesting TEI elements and asking for feedback on the proposal to deprecate <teiCorpus>. I made a first draft for this email here (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jlk0FUHjUKlN-1-WAqhlhYReT2yq_eIbYP66osk…) and ask you to chime in. I suggest to send this on Wednesday. Best wishes, Martina

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nesting TEI
by Syd Bauman 28 Jun '19

28 Jun '19

Hugh -- I have 1. created a 'nest_TEI_deprecate_teiCorpus' branch 2. updated the <desc> for <TEI> (English only) 3. added <TEI> to model.resourceLike 4. begun the process of updating the prose HOWEVER, 1) I can't really test it well, because the build process is broken. But what I can easily test, it seems to be fine. 2) I have run out of time and have not even proofread the changes I made to DS and CC. Over to you ...

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make broken?
by Lou Burnard 27 Jun '19

27 Jun '19

My occasional practice of doing git pull make in my local copy of the dev repo seems to have hit a rock again. ../run-onvdl tei_simplePrint.nvdl tei_simplePrint.odd /usr/bin/onvdl fatal: file not found: /home/lou/Public/TEI/P5/Exemplars/tei_simplePrint.nvdl (No such file or directory) java -jar ../Utilities/lib/trang.jar tei_simplePrint.rng tei_simplePrint.rnc java -jar ../Utilities/lib/trang.jar -o disable-abstract-elements tei_simplePrint.rng tei_simplePrint.xsd /home/lou/Public/TEI/P5/Exemplars/tei_simplePrint.rng:475:61: error: reference to undefined pattern "att.global.rendition.attribute.rendition" Makefile:71: recipe for target 'tei_simplePrint.dtd' failed make[1]: *** [tei_simplePrint.dtd] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/lou/Public/TEI/P5/Exemplars' Makefile:201: recipe for target 'exemplars' failed make: *** [exemplars] Error 2

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Re: [Tei-council] priorities
by James Cummings 24 Jun '19

24 Jun '19

If no one else has time to test this (which I agree with Raff is a priority), I'll do so before Friday afternoon. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:44:20 PM To: Bauman, Syd Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] priorities Sorry to add fuel to the fire, but I have also just sent a very simple PR to generate different p5subset.json files for each supported languages. If this gets included in the release, the Vault will have all the data needed for Roma (beta). If not, I'll keep pulling data from my server until the next release. I tested locally and got the output I expected, but it would be great to have someone else look it over and merge it into dev. https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/pull/1890 Best, Raff On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 5:51 PM Syd Bauman <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu<mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>> wrote: EBB> For right now, it seems a higher priority to resolve the EBB> release-blocking problems on dev connected with simplePrint.odd EBB> ..., doesn't it? Well, yes, but the question is whether *I* should be tackling the nesting-<TEI> issue (for which I will find the schema changes easy, but the prose changes will take me a long time because I'm slow at that sort of stuff), or the stylesheet problems. (If someone else is already 1/2-way to fixing it, speak up! :-) HC> It would be a bit of a shame to lose it. I could work on it when HC> I’m back home this weekend. Or on the plane on Friday for that HC> matter... Thanks. Might be a good idea. Although to be fair, we would not be losing it, just not tucking it in until next release. (When, honestly, it might make a bit more sense, anyway.) MS> ... my understanding was that we already decided on the nesting MS> TEI element, regardless of the deprecation of teiCorpus. Right; I'm just talking about timing, not whether-or-not. (And in part, timing so we can get feedback from community.) MS> I am aware that we agreed on having LR propose this to the list, MS> but on second thought my feeling is that such a suggestion should MS> better be coming from the Council. I would therefore suggest that MS> I draft an email to the list and circulate it to you. My thought is "go, girl!". But perhaps the right thing to do is for you to write up a draft, and send it to LR as well as to us so that he can chime in, too? EBB> It isn’t looking as if this sent, so I am trying again... I had gotten it just fine. _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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priorities
by Syd Bauman 24 Jun '19

24 Jun '19

Martina (and all) -- where are we on the big nesting TEI issue? I had planned to spend my TEI time between now and release working on that, so at this release <TEI> would be able to nest, and the documentation would include this possibility (whether we deprecated use of <teiCorpus> now or not). But a) I'm not sure I'm clear to move ahead on that; and b) I'm wondering if I shouldn't be spending time on the Stylesheets issues instead? I realize that means bumping nesting-<TEI> another 6 months (which would make *me* sad), but that may not be a bad thing if we're still waiting for LR's post to TEI-L and the fallout therefrom.

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Stylesheets meeting in ~3.5 hours
by Syd Bauman 21 Jun '19

21 Jun '19

We will be holding a Stylesheets group meeting this afternoon: 13:00 PDT 16:00 EDT 21:00 BST 22:00 CEST today. Google Hangouts unless someone says otherwise. Peter won't be able to join us. He wants us to work on getting the build to work. Elli probably won't be there. She wants us to work on ticket 370. The good news is that Martin & I just discovered they are the same thing. We've put some info about how far we got on the ticket, so if you can read up on https://github.com/TEIC/Stylesheets/issues/370 before we start. -- Syd Bauman, NRP (he/him/his) Senior XML Programmer/Analyst Northeastern University Women Writers Project s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu or Syd_Bauman(a)alumni.Brown.edu

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Today’s meeting
by Peter Stadler 21 Jun '19

21 Jun '19

Hi all, I’m most probably on the road tonight and won’t be able to meet with you, sorry :( But it’d be great if you were able to tackle the current build problems :) Best Peter

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