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TEI Simple name poll
by Lou Burnard 25 Oct '16

25 Oct '16

When polling closed 15 minutes ago, 5 votes had been cast. This is only half the current membership of Council. I conclude that there is no strong desire amongst council members to express an opinion on the matter, which I persist in thinking suggests we would be ill-advised to change the status quo. Would it be a good idea to go with the majority figure (3 votes) when that represents the view of less than a third of the electorate? I think not. I am therefore going to assume this baby is still called TEI Simple, and intend to devote the little time left before it is integrated it into the next release to improving the examples, and checking that it works properly, rather than the (fairly daunting) task of changing its name everywhere. We also, may I remind you, need to make it more visible on the website, and integrate it into the oXygen framework.

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Re: [tei-council] Agenda for Thursday
by James Cummings 24 Oct '16

24 Oct '16

I must give my apologies as I'll be teaching a free TEI workshop all day on Thursday and Friday at the Bodleian Libraries' Centre for Digital Scholarship. James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 23 Oct 2016 16:38, Hugh Cayless <philomousos(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've put up a draft agenda for Thursday's meeting at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YFW89NbqeSwXe3dNwtDjaSLqRJ10_K_Evorn8H-… Please add any additional items you'd like to discuss. Lou, I believe you said you had a conflict, so if you have anything additional to report re The Customization With No Name, please go ahead and add it. Especially if there are to-dos for the rest of us. Thanks all, Hugh -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Re: [tei-council] chaining for idiots
by James Cummings 23 Oct '16

23 Oct '16

Quick skim, looks good. Might you consider a section at the top for "Who Is This For?" mentioning that the idiots in e question are likely to be those who are sophisticatedly writing their own ODD schemas that variants of existing ODDs? I.e. if you are just looking to customise TEI this isn't something you need to know, it is for a whole different class of idiot. Like me, Hugh, SusanneH, etc. James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 22 Oct 2016 20:47, Lou Burnard <lou.burnard(a)retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote: As promised, here's an initial draft for a tutorial on how to chain ODDs together. Thanks to James and Hugh for patient and helpful input during its composition. No thanks at all to SNCF for causing me to lose half of the first draft by braking suddenly on the train here on Friday. But above all thanks to everyone on Council who takes time to give it a quick read and makes suggestions for topics as yet uncovered, or covered inadequately! readable (ish) version: http://teic.github.io/TCW/howtoChain.html source : https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TEIC/TEI/dev/Documents/pureODD/howtoChain… -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Let the votings commence
by Lou Burnard 23 Oct '16

23 Oct '16

OK, thanks for last minute interventions, but please note that the list of candidates is now closed. Please visit http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=580cb58de4b0f7c33cc990a9 at your leisure and vote. All Council members (except me) have ONE vote. The votes are secret. The system will notice if you try to vote more than once from the same place, so please don't do that. It probably won't notice if you vote more than once from different places, so please don't do that either. I will close the poll and declare the winner at 18h CET on Tuesday 25 Oct.

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chaining for idiots
by Lou Burnard 22 Oct '16

22 Oct '16

As promised, here's an initial draft for a tutorial on how to chain ODDs together. Thanks to James and Hugh for patient and helpful input during its composition. No thanks at all to SNCF for causing me to lose half of the first draft by braking suddenly on the train here on Friday. But above all thanks to everyone on Council who takes time to give it a quick read and makes suggestions for topics as yet uncovered, or covered inadequately! readable (ish) version: http://teic.github.io/TCW/howtoChain.html source : https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TEIC/TEI/dev/Documents/pureODD/howtoChain…

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Re: [tei-council] another name issue
by James Cummings 22 Oct '16

22 Oct '16

I've always said compiled ODD. Resolved also makes sense. James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 22 Oct 2016 18:29, Lou Burnard <lou.burnard(a)retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote: Talking of naming, can we get a consensus on what we call the thing that results from processing a TEI ODD with teitoodd ? It's analogous to the p5subset.xml we know and love, so maybe we should call it a subset, not an ODD (which is what teitoodd implies : give it foo.odd and you will receive foo.odd.odd) . It isn't an ODD as we know it, obviously. But it isn't necessarily a subset either. I think of it as a "compiled ODD" but maybe that has the wrong connotations. Its distinguishing feature is that any *Ref elements such as elementRef classRef etc. in the input will have been resolved so maybe its a "resolved ODD" or an "explicit ODD" ... -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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another name issue
by Lou Burnard 22 Oct '16

22 Oct '16

Talking of naming, can we get a consensus on what we call the thing that results from processing a TEI ODD with teitoodd ? It's analogous to the p5subset.xml we know and love, so maybe we should call it a subset, not an ODD (which is what teitoodd implies : give it foo.odd and you will receive foo.odd.odd) . It isn't an ODD as we know it, obviously. But it isn't necessarily a subset either. I think of it as a "compiled ODD" but maybe that has the wrong connotations. Its distinguishing feature is that any *Ref elements such as elementRef classRef etc. in the input will have been resolved so maybe its a "resolved ODD" or an "explicit ODD" ...

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github down
by Lou Burnard 21 Oct '16

21 Oct '16

Dearie me, and there we were abandoning sourceforge because it kept crashing, and now github has gone down the plughole too. Scarey. Apparently, according to French tv news, this is part of a mammoth DOS attack on lots of high profile US based sites.

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Re: [tei-council] purifying odd doc
by James Cummings 21 Oct '16

21 Oct '16

Yes. And like with a normal odd in a chained odd you have to moduleRef all the modules from the source that are going to be used in your subset. You don't get everything in the source by default, the first ODD just limits what is in the source that you have available to choose from in your second ODD. James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 20 Oct 2016 19:07, Hugh Cayless <philomousos(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, I think if you had a moduleRef, then you could delete it with an elementSpec, you just can't use the elementSpec without the moduleRef. I think tests and better documentation of this would be a grand idea. Sent from my phone. > On Oct 20, 2016, at 13:43, Lou Burnard <lou.burnard(a)retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > >> On 20/10/16 18:23, Hugh Cayless wrote: >> The way I was thinking about it: every ODD has to declare the modules it's >> using. >> >> Aren't moduleRef/@exclude and elementSpec/@mode='delete' basically >> equivalent anyway? > > Yes. Which is why I am puzzled that one works and the other doesn't. > > I suggest it might help to create a little test suite... > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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purifying odd doc
by Lou Burnard 20 Oct '16

20 Oct '16

On my way home from Vienna I started drafting a little homily about how to update your old ODD to a pure new shiny one. The source is in github under TEI/Documentation/pureODD/purifyDoc.xml CETEICEAN renders it reasonably well (modulo a couple of gotchas on which I've posted issues) at http://teic.github.io/TCW/purifyDoc.html, but the nicest reading version is at http://teic.github.io/TCW/purifyDoc_static.html I'd very much welcome Council's comments before exposing it further. Seems to me we need to promote ODD a bit more, and this might be a good start. I'm also working on an "ODD for beginners" guide, but this one is aimed at old lags who made an ODD back in the day and are interested in getting up to speed with its new possibilities. So much so (I now realise) that I've completely forgotten to mention the existence of Roma in it. But I'll stop tweaking for now anent your comments...

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