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Re: [tei-council] fun with min and max
by Lou Burnard 30 Nov '16

30 Nov '16

In further experimentation, Syd and I have uncovered a rather nasty bug in the way @minOccurs and @maxOccurs interact. See https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1544 How does this work in XSD I wonder? On 29/11/16 14:51, Syd Bauman wrote: > Discussion of <abx> content > ---------- -- ----- ------- > The ODD defines <abx> as follows. > | <elementSpec ident="abx"> > | <desc>A block with at least 2 titles</desc> > | <content> > | <elementRef key="title" minOccurs="2"/> > | </content> > | </elementSpec> > It seems that from the comment you believe this should generate > ( title, title+ ) > or > ( title, title, title* ) > That is, you (quite reasonably) presume that if @minOccurs is > 1, > @maxOccurs should default to "unbounded". > > But the Guidelines seem pretty clear to me: the default of @maxOccurs > is '1', period. Thus the specification above has a bit of a > contradiction (min of 2, max of 1), which I decided to resolve in > favor of the specified @minOccurs rather than the defaulted > @maxOccurs. Thus I produce > ( title, title ) > > I do not know off the top of my head what XSD does in this case, or > what pre-PureODD would have done with a <datatype minOccurs="2">. > > > You sent this directly to me (not the Council list), so I replied > directly to you. But I think the @maxOccurs default issue needs to be > brought to the group. > > >> Here's my little test file, a script to run it, and the outputs I >> get, all zipped up for your pleasure in one (I hope) >> self-explanatory zip. >> >> The main reason I was getting different results from you, I think. >> is because I am an eejut when it comes to handling branches. > You and me both, bub.

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fun with min and max
by Lou Burnard 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

I started trying to test this, but didnt get very far. 1. What happens to a content model like this: <alternate maxOccurs="unbounded"> <textNode/> <elementRef key="hi" /> </alternate> in RNC (using Syd's latest version of stylesheetes -- I think ) this gives us (text|hi)+ [krekt] in DTD I get (#PCDATA|hi)* which is not quite krekt but at least is valid in XSD I get <xs:complexType mixed="true"> <xs:sequence> <xs:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" ref="tei:hi"/> </xs:sequence>  i.e same as DTD. good. 2. Let's try using minOccurs <alternate> <textNode/> <elementRef key="name" minOccurs="2"/> </alternate> generates in RNC : (name+ | name+ | text) (?WTF?) in DTD : (#PCDATA|hi)* again [I think the presence of a textnode always generates a mixed content like this. Which is fine] in XSD <xs:complexType mixed="true"> <xs:choice minOccurs="0"> <xs:element maxOccurs="unbounded" ref="tei:name"/> <xs:element maxOccurs="unbounded" ref="tei:name"/> </xs:choice> ... </xs:complexType> [which won't do because it is invalid XSD, cos nonambig) 3. Maybe the textnode is special. Let's try something faintly plausible <sequence> <elementRef key="title" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1"/> <elementRef key="name" minOccurs="2" maxOccurs="4"/> </sequence> in RNC : (title?, name, name) in DTD : <!ELEMENT ab (((title)?,name,name,name,name))> in XSD : <xs:sequence> <xs:element minOccurs="0" ref="tei:title"/> <xs:element ref="tei:name"/> <xs:element ref="tei:name"/> </xs:sequence> None of these of course will validate something with 3 names, even though the ODD content model suggests they should. I conclude we're all doomed. But you knew that already.

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Re: [tei-council] F2F Prague
by James Cummings 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

I've not booked anything yet because I was still waiting for reimbursement for Vienna. Have others got theirs? I prodded JohnU about it awhile ago, is it now someone else I'm supposed to prod? (Or check with if I've made some mistake on the form?) James -- Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford On 29 Nov 2016 5:33 a.m., Elisa <ebbondar(a)gmail.com> wrote: Well, I've booked tickets for the whole week, to arrive Saturday 2/4 and leave the following Saturday. The flights were a bargain, going to Prague via Boston and Lisbon on an airline I've never heard of: TAP Portugal. (Has anyone flown with them? I am hoping they are not like Ryan Air...) Greg (my spouse) has been envying these trips I've been taking across the pond lately (Kraków last summer, Vienna...), and he really, really wants to see Prague, so we're coming together this time. He's used to me doing my own thing for research trips and conferences and will happily entertain himself touring while we're in meetings (sigh). But he may also scope out some fun places we might visit or dine while we're working, so that could be helpful. We've not started looking for accommodations yet...has anyone else? Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org Typeset by hand on my iPad > On Nov 25, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Raffaele Viglianti <raffaeleviglianti(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just booked my flights using the Vienna flight that I had put on hold, so > the cost was low. I have to travel back on the 8th, though, because there > were no good options for flying back via Vienna on the 9th. So no open day > for me... > > Raff > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Hugh Cayless <philomousos(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> That’s right. It would be very nice if a bunch of us could stick around >> for the open day, but if you have to be somewhere else, that’s ok. I will >> probably only be able to do the morning of the 8th at best, as I have to >> teach the afternoon of the 9th. >> >>>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 18:34 , Scholger, Martina ( >>> martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I just wanted to make sure that the F2F meeting in Prague will take >> place from February 5th to 7th? >>> There are no "mandatory" meetings on Wednesday, right? Unfortunately, >> the meeting collides with the annual two-days meeting of my department, so >> I would have to take the night train to be back on Wednesday (8th) morning. >>> Best, >>> Martina >>> >>> >>> Martina Scholger >>> Centre for Information Modelling >>> Austrian Centre for Digital Humanities >>> Elisabethstraße 59/III >>> 8010 Graz >>> Austria >>> >>> -- >>> tei-council mailing list >>> tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived -- tei-council mailing list tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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F2F Prague
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

Hi all, I just wanted to make sure that the F2F meeting in Prague will take place from February 5th to 7th? There are no "mandatory" meetings on Wednesday, right? Unfortunately, the meeting collides with the annual two-days meeting of my department, so I would have to take the night train to be back on Wednesday (8th) morning. Best, Martina Martina Scholger Centre for Information Modelling Austrian Centre for Digital Humanities Elisabethstraße 59/III 8010 Graz Austria

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Build failed in Jenkins: TEIP5-Test-dev #3105
by Victoria TEI Jenkins 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/3105/Changes: [s.bauman] Per ticket #1489, create teidata.prefix and use it for prefixDef/@ident ------------------------------------------ Started by an SCM change Building in workspace <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/> > git rev-parse --is-inside-work-tree # timeout=10 Fetching changes from the remote Git repository > git config remote.origin.url https://github.com/TEIC/TEI.git # timeout=10 Fetching upstream changes from https://github.com/TEIC/TEI.git > git --version # timeout=10 > git fetch --tags --progress https://github.com/TEIC/TEI.git +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* > git rev-parse refs/remotes/origin/dev^{commit} # timeout=10 > git rev-parse refs/remotes/origin/origin/dev^{commit} # timeout=10 Checking out Revision daf3258734c6f32433d140cdc97e01162a78ab1f (refs/remotes/origin/dev) > git config core.sparsecheckout # timeout=10 > git checkout -f daf3258734c6f32433d140cdc97e01162a78ab1f > git rev-list 5c43b61084d5483f89e1127e319adeaa349a5ba5 # timeout=10 [workspace] $ /bin/bash -xe /tmp/hudson9206973642056828759.sh + cd P5 ++ pwd + make VCS=git INJENKINS=true XSL=<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/../../../Stylesheet…> clean validate test (cd Exemplars; make clean) make[1]: Entering directory `<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Exemplars'> mv tei_lite_fr.nvdl tei_lite_fr.nvdl.bak rm -f *.processed *.xsd *.dtd *.doc.* *.rnc tei*.xsl tei*.rng *.compiled* *~ *.xi *.isosch *.epub *.pdf *.html *.nvdl *-teix* mv tei_lite_fr.nvdl.bak tei_lite_fr.nvdl rm -f exnames.xml rm -f enrich.rng isofs.rng rm -f names.xml *properties rm -f [A-Z]*xml make[1]: Leaving directory `<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Exemplars'> (cd Test; make clean) make[1]: Entering directory `<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Test'> rm -f test*.doc.xml test*.rnc test*.dtd test*.compiled.* test*.xsd test*.rnc test*.rng test*.xsl test*.isosch rm -rf LOG *~ *.xsd Schema RomaResults DTD rm -rf *.doc.* rm -f detest.log detest.log.all rm -f *-examples.rng *-examples.rnc *test*.nvdl *-ex.odd rm -f detest.rnc detest.rng detest.dtd detest.isosch make[1]: Leaving directory `<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Test'> rm -rf release Guidelines Guidelines-web Schema DTD dtd Split rm -rf Guidelines.??? Guidelines-* rm -f *.isosch.xsl rm -f *.stamp rm -f *.xsd rm -f Exemplars/stdout rm -f Test/*.isosch rm -f Test/detest.dtd Test/detest.rnc Test/detest.rng Test/detest.xsl rm -f Test/stdout rm -f Utilities/guidelines.xsl rm -f anything buildweb.xml rm -f p5.sch p5.isosch p5.xml p5subset.xml p5subset.json p5subset.js rm -f p5attlist.txt rm -f p5odds-examples.rng p5odds-examples.rnc p5odds.rng p5odds.rnc p5odds.isosch rm -f pdfbuild.log rm -f stripspace.xsl.model rm -f tei-*.zip rm -f tei-p5-*_*build rm -f tei-p5-*_*changes rm -f tei-p5-*_*deb rm -f teiwebsiteguidelines.zip rm -rf FASC-* rm -rf catalogue.* modList rm -rf valid v.xml ValidatorLog.xml Utilities/pointerattributes.xsl graphics.sh missfont.log v.body v.header Schematron1.xml Schematron2.xml Checking you have running XML tools and Perl before trying to run transform... Ant:/usr/bin/ant Perl:/usr/bin/perl Java:/usr/bin/java xmllint:/usr/bin/xmllint touch check.stamp get latest date: VCS is git if [ "git" = "svn" ] ; \ then \ if [ true = "true" ] ; \ then svn info --xml svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/tei/code/trunk/P5 ; \ else svn info --xml ; \ fi > repodate.xml ; \ fi if [ git = "git" ] ; \ then \ git log --max-count=1 --pretty=format:"<info type=\"git\"><entry><commit revision=\"%h\"><date>%ai</date></commit></entry></info>" > repodate.xml ; \ fi BUILD: Generate modular DTDs, Schemas, Schematron and miscellaneous outputs ANT_OPTS="-Xss2m -Xmx752m -Djava.awt.headless=true" ant -q -lib Utilities/lib/jing.jar:Utilities/lib/saxon9he.jar -f antbuilder.xml -DXSL=<http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/../../../Stylesheet…> -DDRIVER=Source/guidelines-en.xml base subset outputs BUILD FAILED <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/antbuilder.xml>:39: Fatal error during transformation using <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Utilities/expand.xsl>: I/O error reported by XML parser processing <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Source/Specs/teidat…>: <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Source/Specs/teidat…> (No such file or directory); SystemID: <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/TEIP5-Test-dev/ws/P5/Utilities/expand.xsl;> Line#: 68; Column#: -1 Total time: 6 seconds make: *** [p5.xml] Error 1 Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure

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processing model: check for duplicates
by Syd Bauman 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

Attn: James C., Magdelena T., and others intimately familiar with the Processing Model I have merged in changes from 'dev' branch into 'sydb-modelAttrChecks' branch. The only changes are in P5/Source/Specs/model.xml; the only significant change there is the addition of two new <constraintSpec>s. Could you test the Schematron? If you don't want to build it yourself you can find it here: http://paramedic.wwp.neu.edu/~syd/temp/TEI_Council/testPMtests/tei_all.isos… http://paramedic.wwp.neu.edu/~syd/temp/TEI_Council/testPMtests/ref-model.ht… Thanks. BTW, I know that the tagdoc looks ugly because of long lines. I'm really interested in whether a) the Schematron is complaining about the right stuff, and b) if the error messages are understandable.

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Documentation
by Hugh Cayless 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

Dear All, I've moved the TCW 22 (release process) document from the TEI repo to a new Documentation repo (https://github.com/TEIC/Documentation) along with a handful of other relevant documents from http://www.tei-c.org/Activities/Council/Working/index.xml. The immediate reason for doing this is so that updates to the documentation around the release process don't trigger Jenkins builds and slow us down intolerably. We've talked rather inconclusively in the past about doing other things with the docs, which are hard to edit in their current location, and this isn't meant to forestall further action on that front, but rather to do *something* about it, which may give us better ideas on how to proceed. You should all have permission to edit the docs in the repo. Hugh

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schemaRef for issue 564
by James Cummings 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

Hiya, On Thursday or Friday I added the <schemaRef> element as decided by issue 564 https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/564 Today I wrote a very small bit of prose in the HD chapter to go with this. In case you want to expand, correct, or modify that prose it is show in this commit: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/commit/c38aaf2abfbb2ed8404aec21f4fa665c864aa28e -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford

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saxon problems : cannot build xsd
by Lou Burnard 27 Nov '16

27 Nov '16

If I run teitoxsd online, I can turn an ODD file into an XSD one. If I try to do it in oXygen however, I cannot. The version of the framework I am using falls over with an inscrutable error message "Internal Saxon error: local variable encountered whose binding has been deleted". Poor thing. And poor me, as I would really like to do some proper testing of how well pure odd constructs map to different schema languages, and its easier in oXygen. The message rings a faint bell, but I'm having trouble reading between the chimes: can anyone advise?

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processing @minOccurs and @maxOccurs on <dataRef>
by Syd Bauman 27 Nov '16

27 Nov '16

Re: silly Syd, frustrated fool [NOTE: I am posting this *for discussion after release*. Nothing here affects the release, I don't think, and I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion while I've got a lot to do and not a lot of time.] So I've now spent quite a few hours (most 3 months ago, about an hour this morning) fixing the code in the template for <dataRef> in odds/teiodds.xsl that handles @minOccurs and @maxOccurs. At one point it occurred to me that *no* value of @maxOccurs was being handled properly. "How did this ever work?" I asked myself. A quick look verified my fears: <dataRef> does not *have* a @minOccurs or @maxOccurs. So for now I'm just going to stop working on this (and leave it in its improved -- but still not working -- state, with a comment explaining). But I'm wondering if this vestigial code means at one point we wanted @minOccurs and @maxOccurs on <dataRef>? And furthermore, do we want <dataRef> to be a member of att.repeatable? I *think* the answer is "no", because it would never be needed. For simple multiple-vals-in-an-attr cases, the parent <datatype> can have @minOccurs or @maxOccurs. For anything more complex (whether inside <datatype> or <content>) <sequence> and <alternate> (which are members of att.repeatable) could be used to control quantity. So I think we don't need or want <dataRef> to have @minOccurs or @maxOccurs. Thoughts? The other frustratingly foolish thing I did recently while working on @minOccurs and @maxOccurs I post here both to remind y'all of this peril, and to amuse Lou who will at least chuckle. For Lou knows that I can never spell "occurs" correctly. My fingers just want to add an extra 'r'. Well, if you spell it wrong in a variable name, oXygen complains immediately "I don't know the variable $maxOccurrs". But if you spell it wrong in a reference to the attribute axis, oXygen does not know better, and an XSLT processor will happily chug along and test if @maxOccurrs is "unbounded". Since there is *never* a @maxOccurrs, it is *never* "unbounded". Sigh. I hope all you Americans had a Happy Thanksgiving!

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