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Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming
by James Cummings 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

a) I agree marking up these phrases might be useful. (This doesn't just include simple modal verbs but also constructions involving 'require*', 'recommend*', 'optional*', since we already indicate these are equivalent to must, should, may.) I note that this will take more work than you might think, the way many of these are phrased mean automatic replacement would be error-prone. I would suggest that this be an addendum to the current ticket to be done once I've finished going through and checking them. (Doing it in two phases also means I double-check, though also someone else could do that to double-check my work? Happy either way.) b) We note that we are basing our use of modal verbs on BCP14 not only in the Guidelines Style Guide http://teic.github.io/TCW/tcw24.html but also in the Guidelines themselves at http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/AB.html#AB-modal. To wit, I believe we already do what you are recommending. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Peter Stadler <stadler(a)edirom.de> Sent: 19 December 2018 08:21:42 To: Martin Holmes Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming I wonder if we shouldn’t be marking up these verbs (and constructions?) ant to render these visually distinct? To me, that’d be a huge benefit for our meta language ODD in addressing technical documentation. Best Peter > Am 18.12.2018 um 17:33 schrieb Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca>: > > I do like the clarity of RFC 2119 and/or BCP 14, which seem to be pretty much identical. I wonder if we should state explicitly that our usage of modal verbs is intended to conform with one of them? > > Cheers, > Martin > > On 2018-12-18 7:29 a.m., James Cummings wrote: >> Hi Peter, Martin, etc. >> This ticket (https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1175#issuecomment-406592469) was something I was doing slowly when I got around to it. The actual work when you do it isn't difficult... Just double-checking that must/may/should etc. are all what we expect. Overall very few changes but mostly softening language (where we have said 'should' in past zealousness but even our own examples suggest 'may' is better). I'm happy to try to finish up the work sooner rather than later if desired. >> Many thanks, >> James >> -- >> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk >> Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities >> School of English, Newcastle University >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> >> *Sent:* 18 December 2018 15:17:29 >> *To:* Peter Stadler; Martin Holmes >> *Cc:* TEI Council >> *Subject:* Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming >> Hi, >> there is also a ticket https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1175 for that. James already started to work on that, but there are 4-5K hits to check. I think we should split the work, or James? I have put it on the agenda for our next call in January. >> Thanks Martin for merging the translations! >> Best wishes, >> Martina >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> Im Auftrag von Peter Stadler >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 07:39 >> An: Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> >> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> >> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming >> I couldn’t agree more! We currently mark technical terms (elements, classes) but not modal verbs which leads to confusion not only when translating. >> That’s quite an effort to go through the Guidelines and adjust (rephrase?) all those verbs but it would be a significant improvement. >> I’d like to put that on the agenda for our next f2f and see whether we can develop a plan for achieving this. What do you think? >> Best >> Peter >>> Am 17.12.2018 um 22:21 schrieb Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca>: >>> They're using the spreadsheets, and I'm transferring things back manually, one row at a time. There has been some discussion over the use of (for example) "may" in the Guidelines -- does it mean "be allowed to" or "can-if-you-wish" -- which makes me wonder whether it's time to look again at the modal verbs in TCW 24: >>> <http://teic.github.io/TCW/tcw24.html> >>> perhaps with an eye on RFC 2119: >>> <https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt> >>> Cheers, >>> Martin >>>> On 2018-12-17 12:30 p.m., James Cummings wrote: >>>> That sounds excellent Martin! Thanks! >>>> Out of interest what process are they using to update the glosses, descs, etc. Those spreadsheets or something else? >>>> Many thanks, >>>> James >>>> -- >>>> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> *From:* Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> >>>> *Sent:* 17 December 2018 17:07:14 >>>> *To:* TEI Council >>>> *Subject:* [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming Hi all, Just a note to let everyone know that over the next little while I'll be slowly merging some new Japanese translations of glosses, descs and remarks into the dev branch. These are coming from some excellent work that Kiyonori and his team have been doing; they're about one-third of the way through the process of translating the spec files. >>>> I'm going to do this slowly and look at each item before I include it, mostly for my own learning purposes, but also in case I might catch the odd misunderstanding. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Martin >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tei-council mailing list >>>> Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tei-council mailing list >>> Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> _______________________________________________ >> Tei-council mailing list >> Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> _______________________________________________ >> Tei-council mailing list >> Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > _______________________________________________ > Tei-council mailing list > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming
by James Cummings 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

Hi Peter, Martin, etc. This ticket (https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1175#issuecomment-406592469) was something I was doing slowly when I got around to it. The actual work when you do it isn't difficult... Just double-checking that must/may/should etc. are all what we expect. Overall very few changes but mostly softening language (where we have said 'should' in past zealousness but even our own examples suggest 'may' is better). I'm happy to try to finish up the work sooner rather than later if desired. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 18 December 2018 15:17:29 To: Peter Stadler; Martin Holmes Cc: TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming Hi, there is also a ticket https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/1175 for that. James already started to work on that, but there are 4-5K hits to check. I think we should split the work, or James? I have put it on the agenda for our next call in January. Thanks Martin for merging the translations! Best wishes, Martina -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> Im Auftrag von Peter Stadler Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 07:39 An: Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming I couldn’t agree more! We currently mark technical terms (elements, classes) but not modal verbs which leads to confusion not only when translating. That’s quite an effort to go through the Guidelines and adjust (rephrase?) all those verbs but it would be a significant improvement. I’d like to put that on the agenda for our next f2f and see whether we can develop a plan for achieving this. What do you think? Best Peter > Am 17.12.2018 um 22:21 schrieb Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca>: > > They're using the spreadsheets, and I'm transferring things back manually, one row at a time. There has been some discussion over the use of (for example) "may" in the Guidelines -- does it mean "be allowed to" or "can-if-you-wish" -- which makes me wonder whether it's time to look again at the modal verbs in TCW 24: > > <http://teic.github.io/TCW/tcw24.html> > > perhaps with an eye on RFC 2119: > > <https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt> > > Cheers, > Martin > >> On 2018-12-17 12:30 p.m., James Cummings wrote: >> That sounds excellent Martin! Thanks! >> Out of interest what process are they using to update the glosses, descs, etc. Those spreadsheets or something else? >> Many thanks, >> James >> -- >> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in >> Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, >> Newcastle University >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> *From:* Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf >> of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> >> *Sent:* 17 December 2018 17:07:14 >> *To:* TEI Council >> *Subject:* [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming Hi all, Just >> a note to let everyone know that over the next little while I'll be >> slowly merging some new Japanese translations of glosses, descs and >> remarks into the dev branch. These are coming from some excellent >> work that Kiyonori and his team have been doing; they're about >> one-third of the way through the process of translating the spec files. >> I'm going to do this slowly and look at each item before I include >> it, mostly for my own learning purposes, but also in case I might >> catch the odd misunderstanding. >> Cheers, >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Tei-council mailing list >> Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > _______________________________________________ > Tei-council mailing list > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming
by James Cummings 18 Dec '18

18 Dec '18

That sounds excellent Martin! Thanks! Out of interest what process are they using to update the glosses, descs, etc. Those spreadsheets or something else? Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> Sent: 17 December 2018 17:07:14 To: TEI Council Subject: [Tei-council] Japanese translations incoming Hi all, Just a note to let everyone know that over the next little while I'll be slowly merging some new Japanese translations of glosses, descs and remarks into the dev branch. These are coming from some excellent work that Kiyonori and his team have been doing; they're about one-third of the way through the process of translating the spec files. I'm going to do this slowly and look at each item before I include it, mostly for my own learning purposes, but also in case I might catch the odd misunderstanding. Cheers, Martin _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections
by James Cummings 18 Dec '18

18 Dec '18

Hi Elisa (etc.), My apologies. AOL stands for America Online. See http://catb.org/jargon/html/A/AOL-.html for an explanation of this reference. Apologies for being unintentionally cryptic. Best wishes, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu> Sent: 17 December 2018 13:28:54 To: James Cummings Cc: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) Vanessa Bigot-Juloux; TEI Council Subject: Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections James's last message is mysterious because I don't know what <aol> means...Google tells me: AOL Acronym Definition AoL Army of Light (Starwars Galaxies guild) AOL Age of Legends (Wheel of Time Series) AOL Airborne Oceanographic LIDAR AOL Absent Over Leave (See AWOL) which doesn't help much. Anyway, I, too, am glad Martina is willing to continue as chair. Elisa On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 1:23 PM James Cummings <James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk>> wrote: <aol>Me as well </aol> Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk<mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University From: Vanessa Bigot-Juloux Sent: Monday, 17 December, 12:22 Subject: Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections To: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) Cc: TEI Council Dear all, I totally agree: May I encourage you (Martina) to stand for election once more?! Best, Vanessa Le 13 déc. 2018 à 18:58, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)UNI-GRAZ.AT<mailto:martina.scholger@UNI-GRAZ.AT>> a écrit : Dear all, I realized that I haven’t said anything about running for Chair again yet, but I wanted to keep the announcement and my candidature separate. I'd be happy to serve as Chair of the TEI Technical Council for another year. I learned a lot this year and have no doubt that there is yet more to learn. Best wishes, Martina Von: Peter Stadler <stadler(a)edirom.de<mailto:stadler@edirom.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2018 17:49 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections May I encourage you (Martina) to stand for election once more?! My feeling is you’re just about getting warm :) Best Peter Am 13.12.2018 um 14:19 schrieb Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>>: Dear all, this is a reminder for the upcoming election on the Council's chair for the next term. If you are interested in taking this position, please let us know before our next call on Monday (December 17) via the Council's mailing list. Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu<mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org<http://newtfire.org/>

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Japanese translations incoming
by Martin Holmes 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

Hi all, Just a note to let everyone know that over the next little while I'll be slowly merging some new Japanese translations of glosses, descs and remarks into the dev branch. These are coming from some excellent work that Kiyonori and his team have been doing; they're about one-third of the way through the process of translating the spec files. I'm going to do this slowly and look at each item before I include it, mostly for my own learning purposes, but also in case I might catch the odd misunderstanding. Cheers, Martin

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Call in 30 minutes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

Dear all, our call starts in 30 minutes. Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fJ5nb5WgnwaMnt4WrgnDl-zC7A6LBEeqrIcUFwX… Hangouts:https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/brown.edu/teicouncil Best, Martina

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Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections
by James Cummings 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

<aol>Me as well </aol> Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University From: Vanessa Bigot-Juloux Sent: Monday, 17 December, 12:22 Subject: Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections To: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) Cc: TEI Council Dear all, I totally agree: May I encourage you (Martina) to stand for election once more?! Best, Vanessa Le 13 déc. 2018 à 18:58, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)UNI-GRAZ.AT<mailto:martina.scholger@UNI-GRAZ.AT>> a écrit : Dear all, I realized that I haven’t said anything about running for Chair again yet, but I wanted to keep the announcement and my candidature separate. I'd be happy to serve as Chair of the TEI Technical Council for another year. I learned a lot this year and have no doubt that there is yet more to learn. Best wishes, Martina Von: Peter Stadler <stadler(a)edirom.de<mailto:stadler@edirom.de>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2018 17:49 An: Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: [Tei-council] TEI Council chair elections May I encourage you (Martina) to stand for election once more?! My feeling is you’re just about getting warm :) Best Peter Am 13.12.2018 um 14:19 schrieb Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at<mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>>: Dear all, this is a reminder for the upcoming election on the Council's chair for the next term. If you are interested in taking this position, please let us know before our next call on Monday (December 17) via the Council's mailing list. Best wishes, Martina _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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TEI Council chair elections
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

Dear all, this is a reminder for the upcoming election on the Council's chair for the next term. If you are interested in taking this position, please let us know before our next call on Monday (December 17) via the Council's mailing list. Best wishes, Martina

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TEI conference 2019: program committee
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 17 Dec '18

17 Dec '18

Dear Council, The preparations for the TEI conference in Graz from September 16 to 20 have already started and we would like to put together the program committee soon. As every year, we hope that some of the TEI Council members will support the PC. Please let me know if you want to be part of it. Your responsibilities would be: - comment on the call proposal which will be proposed by chair and local organizers - reviewing submissions - vote on (critical) split decisions concerning acceptance of submissions - review and comment on final program, which will be proposed by chair and local organizers Best wishes, Martina

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Re: [Tei-council] Next call: December 17
by James Cummings 13 Dec '18

13 Dec '18

Bah, For some reason in my head this was an evening call and so I'm currently scheduled to be driving halfway across the country at this point. I may be able to join the text-chat or something but no promises. Entirely my fault, I apologise. I noticed that someone had suggested Issue 327 https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/327 for discussion. I've updated that ticket with a list of the work I've done on it, and what I think is still to do. It seems basically feature complete to me but I'm sure people will have tweaks they want to make. I'd also be interested in more examples, so English descriptions of non-western but really famous objects. e.g. I added Tutankhamen's Mask as one of the examples (alongside the Alfred Jewel and Excalibur). Otherwise, if people want to skip discussing this in the call and do so on the ticket, I'm fine with that. Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at) <martina.scholger(a)uni-graz.at> Sent: 13 December 2018 12:50:36 To: TEI Council Subject: [Tei-council] Next call: December 17 Dear all, this is the agenda for our next call on Monday, December 17 (09:00-10:30 EST, 14-15:30 GMT, 15:00-16:30 CET): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fJ5nb5WgnwaMnt4WrgnDl-zC7A6LBEeqrIcUFwX…. Please add topics / issues to the agenda. @Elli: I hope we can use the Brown-Hangouts: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/brown.edu/teicouncil Best wishes, Martina

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