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Great thing forgot
by Lou Burnard 17 Apr '25

17 Apr '25

Surely the "in memoriam" page at the front of the guidelines ought to include Michael's name? . Apologies for not having thought to mention this before current release.

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DHSI Courses in Montreal
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 25 Mar '25

25 Mar '25

Dear TEI list, Those interested in courses related to digital humanities as well as XML and TEI will find some good anticipated options on the slate at the Digital Humanities Summer Institute (DHSI), which has moved to Montreal, Quebec this year! Please take a look at this year's courses <https://dhsi.org/course-offerings/>(all of which we hope will be approved with sufficient enrollment), and consider whether a DHSI course might be helpful to you or those you work with. I'll note some very good options for our community in Week 1, May 26-30 (be sure to look from the start to the end of the list)! I hope to see you in Montreal in May! If you're curious about my course (that I co-teach with David Birnbaum), please peruse our course materials <https://ebeshero.github.io/UpTransformation/> and be in touch with questions about your project--we very much enjoy assisting with your projects in real time! Cheers, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Next Stylesheets meeting: March 25th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 22 Mar '25

22 Mar '25

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place on Tuesday March 25th at 7 pm UTC, 12pm PDT, 3 pm EDT, and 8 pm CET. As discussed, the meeting will be focused on testing and building the Guidelines. Best, Helena

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Reminder: Council teleconference later today (Tues. March 18)
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 18 Mar '25

18 Mar '25

Hi Council! Just a reminder and also an alert about our March Council call for today, Tuesday March 18. I needed to move this to today because I was in Japan last week. But also, our time zones are a bit out of alignment, with those in continental Europe holding to the same time as usual, but the rest of us being pitched one hour later due to the strangeness of daylight saving time. Meeting times: *11:30–13:00 PDT | 14:30–16:00 EDT | 18:30–20:00 UTC* | 19:30–21:00 CET Here’s our Google Docs agenda with the Zoom link <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SJyerfT5RbJ28zLkyZSllvz5doAsGUkfUfrUmNj…> (same Zoom as usual). Please add your topics and move things around as needed! Thanks everyone! Looking forward to seeing you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Council Meeting Postponed to Tuesday March 18
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 09 Mar '25

09 Mar '25

Dear Council, Greetings from Japan! I'm in Kyushu today (Monday March 10), on invitation of Kiyonori Nagasaki, to speak about the TEI at Fukuoka University, and I won't be back home until the end of this week. We spoke about this on Slack, but I just wanted to make sure we formalized the arrangement. We will plan to hold the monthly Council call next week on Tuesday March 18. It will be at the same time as usual for the Europeans, but for the Americans, we're starting "Daylight Savings Time" and the meeting time for us will be one hour later: 11:30–12:30 PST | 14:30–16:00 EST | 17:30–19:00 UTC | 19:30–21:00 CEST (*Please triple-check me on this*, but I believe Daylight Savings Time just began in Canada and the US. The meeting time is set for UTC and CEST to remain the same!) We're about to have the ISO on our agenda, by the way, and I'll send a longer message soon about that. Thanks, everyone! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Next Stylesheets meeting: February 26
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 23 Feb '25

23 Feb '25

Dear all, Seeing the results of the poll, I think that the best time to meet is on February 26, at 10:15 am PST, 1:15 pm EST, 6:15 pm GMT, 7:15 pm CET. The meeting will only take place for one hour (but whoever is still available is invited to stay in the Zoom chanel and continue). I am still working on the agenda, but here you have the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNfj0b7utonqFU7BeiE_KuhowGthH_C6wnQE1fk… Best, Helena

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What is a base ODD?
by Martin Holmes 13 Feb '25

13 Feb '25

Hi all, The ATOP group has been grappling with the issue of ODD chaining, and in particular, how to determine, starting from a customization ODD to process and following its chain of precursors, how to know when you reach a base ODD and don't have to go any further. This is easy if the ultimate base ODD is p5subset, and that is indeed the default. However, it's perfectly possible that you don't want anything at all from P5, you just want to customize a base ODD that you've already created. One obvious sign of a base ODD is that there is no <schemaSpec> element -- which is the case for p5subset -- but we know that many base ODDs in the wild DO have a `<schemaSpec>` element, and it also seems intuitive that if you're creating a schema specification, you should use a `<schemaSpec>` element. So we've arrived at a definition of a base ODD, which we believe is testable; it goes like this (adapted from our meeting notes): EITHER the ODD has no `<schemaSpec>` element, OR it has a <schemaSpec> with no `@source` (meaning that the source would default to p5subset), BUT there are no `<*Ref>` children of that `<schemaSpec>` invoking content from p5subset so there is no need to retrieve it. This is based on the assumption that if you use any `<*Ref>` element at the base level (i.e. as a direct child of `<schemaSpec>`), that constitutes a call to retrieve something from p5subset; but any such `<*Ref>` at a lower level must be referring to what is already in the schema (either because it's locally defined, or because it was brought in by a top-level `<moduleRef>`, `<elementRef>`, etc.). So my question is: does all this make sense to you all? If so, and we proceed on this basis, then P5 could probably use some more explanation of what a base ODD is, and how it fits into the chaining process. I should also say that current approaches to ODD chaining with the current Stylesheets involve pre-compiling any ODD which is earlier in the chain, so that it constitutes a .processedodd file (see <https://teic.github.io/PDF/howtoChain.pdf> section 4), but we would like ATOP to be able to do all that automatically, so that all you do is specify the source for your customization, and the processor can construct the entire chain and compile everything in sequence. Cheers, Martin -- ------------------------------------------ Martin Holmes UVic Humanities Computing and Media Centre I acknowledge and respect the lək̓ʷəŋən peoples on whose traditional territory the university stands and the Songhees, Esquimalt and WSÁNEĆ peoples whose historical relationships with the land continue to this day.

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Reminder: TEI Council Meeting Tomorrow (Tues. Feb 11)
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 10 Feb '25

10 Feb '25

TEI Councillors, Just a reminder that we meet tomorrow, Tuesday 2/11 (10:30–12:00 PST | 13:30–15:00 EST | 17:30–19:00 UTC | 19:30–21:00 CEST) for our monthly teleconference. Here’s the agenda Google Doc <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XNBdtao_8p3G_AKSY1kUPIVCxRi6lT-3tvpE9jG…> with the Zoom link inside. Please add tickets / issues that you’d like us to discuss together at this meeting! See you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Next Stylesheets meeting: January 28th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 27 Jan '25

27 Jan '25

The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, January 28th, at 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 6:30pm UTC / 7:30pm CET. As always, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NNfj0b7utonqFU7BeiE_KuhowGthH_C6wnQE1fk… Best, Helena

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Freeze for TEI Release 4.9.0
by Raffaele Viglianti 24 Jan '25

24 Jan '25

Dear Council, As we are releasing TEI version 4.9.0 and the Stylesheets version 7.58.0, please do not commit anything to the following branches: tei:dev, tei:release-4.9.0, tei:released, stylesheets:dev, stylesheets:release-7.58.0, stylesheets:released. We will send a follow up notice once the release is complete. Best, Raff

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Next Stylesheets meeting: November 26th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 23 Dec '24

23 Dec '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, November 26th, at 9am PDT / 12pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 6pm CET. Please, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Next Stylesheets meeting: December 18th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 17 Dec '24

17 Dec '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place *tomorrow*, December 18th, at 9am PDT / 12pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 6pm CET. As always, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Meeting today + Scheduling Council Meetings January 2025 and onward
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 10 Dec '24

10 Dec '24

Dear Council, including new Council members Ulrike and Martin, First a quick reminder that Council meets today in about 4 hours for our December teleconference call on Zoom, at 10:00–11:30 PDT | 13:00–14:30 EDT | 17:00–18:30 UTC | 19:00–20:30 CEST. **Ulrike and Martin, you are very welcome (and encouraged!) to attend, but if you can't make it, that's okay. But we are expecting you definitely to join us in January, so we would like to be sure you are involved in planning our meeting dates and times for January onward! Here is the Zoom link <https://psu.zoom.us/j/98850059066?pwd=UzhBL2NFc1lweWYzS2xZd2dqYVZpdz09>, and the agenda <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPfeW1O5-0_YHyZIrn3XHnx_j72EBIkopHkTdhR…>. (Please add anything I've missed!) Would each of you please be sure to fill out *this calendar poll for our meetings in 2025* <https://www.when2meet.com/?27760226-aoTLT>? I hope that we can decide this at the meeting today and set these in the calendar. The poll should automatically adjust for your time zone. I think we may be able to schedule our Council monthly teleconference meeting dates and times today, but I want to be sure you all have a chance to look at the times we are considering! At this point a few of you have not responded, and it's important that we choose a time will work for you all! Looking forward to seeing you all today in a few hours! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Poll by Fri. Dec 6: Scheduling Council Meetings starting January 2025
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 29 Nov '24

29 Nov '24

Dear TEI Council, It's about to be December! Our last meeting for 2024 is coming soon, and we'll be saying farewell to Magdalena and Gus. We will definitely miss you in Council but we know we'll see you again next year in working on TEI Lite2! We also look forward to welcoming Ulrike and Martin, who officially begin with the Council in January! Ulrike and Martin, you should now be added to this Council e-mail listserv, and this is one place where we'll make formal announcements. You are both most welcome to join us at the December meeting, though this is optional and we'll understand if you can't make it until the start of your terms in January! As for meetings from January 2025 onward, we need to schedule them! Council has been meeting in the second full week of every month for 90-minute sessions, and I am hoping to set a regular date and time that might hold through April or May this spring. With this regular monthly meeting plan in mind, would each of you who are members of Council from January 2025 onward take a moment to review your schedules and mark your availability on this When2Meet poll? (Several of you have already begun filling this out earlier this week in response to my Slack message in the #council channel, but I ask that we each revisit this and adjust availability as needed.) *Could we each respond to this by the end of next week--by Friday December 6?* https://www.when2meet.com/?27760226-aoTLT (Again, the poll is set for the 2nd full week in January but we'll plan to apply it to the next few months. It should be set to adjust to your time zone! Please feel free to reply to this message or write to me individually if you have schedule issues or questions.) I'll review your responses next week in hopes of announcing our January - April Council meeting dates / times at the December meeting and here on this list. We'll also need to start thinking about our next multi-day face-to-face (or virtual) meetings, but we'll revisit this in the new year! The December meeting is scheduled (as posted on our Google Calendar <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=bW5zbHUxajQ4cXZlbzlsYXQ4a2hjb3…>) on Tuesday December 10 at 10:00–11:30 PDT | 13:00–14:30 EDT | 17:00–18:30 UTC | 19:00–20:30 CEST over Zoom at the usual location: Zoom: https://psu.zoom.us/j/98850059066?pwd=UzhBL2NFc1lweWYzS2xZd2dqYVZpdz09 password: tei Thanks, everyone! See you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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TEI Lite 2.0 Task force
by Magdalena Turska 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

Dear Elisa and Council, Following up on our discussions in the F2F meeting in Buenos Aires I would like to request establishing a task force to create a new, substantially changed revision of the TEI Lite. As agreed in BA, task force members will be as follows: Helena Bermúdez-Sabel Gustavo Fernandez Riva Martina Scholger Magdalena Turska As for the organization of work, we are planning to meet in person in January 2025, in my house in Poland. Best regards, Magdalena Scope of the work and planned deliverables TEI Lite 2.0 task force is dedicated to the creation of the new TEI Lite schema and corresponding Guidelines with extended examples section. These will be accompanied by implementations for the new functionalities required for the schema processing and Guidelines publication. Rationale Motivations for the new version of the TEI Lite are several. First, its original dates back to 1996, later followed by a series of updates varying in scope. The last substantial revision was made in 2006, at a time when both the technologies supporting XML processing were not as developed, and, more importantly, consensus regarding publication and interoperability of TEI-encoded texts was completely lacking and implementation praxis varied hugely. Therefore TEI Lite (and TEI) Guidelines for the most part pay no heed to processing and publishing concerns, in particular rarely addressing encoding strategies for composite, heterogeneous collections, focusing rather on the "archive" function of the format, where effectively all information is injected into a single TEI resource. The task force's intention is to expand the horizon of the TEI Lite Guidelines, to discuss recommended data modeling, organization and processing practices for a broad range of real life uses. Especially the processing part will make use of the TEI Processing Model, non-existent yet when TEI Lite was last updated. Second, despite decades of efforts from the TEI community, the standard is still too often perceived as prohibitively complex, and even the presence of TEI Lite with its reduced set of elements did not amend the situation. One reason may be the fragmentary character of existing resources to learn TEI from, both in terms of structure and examples provided. Particularly the latter in the Guidelines are usually missing the broader context, from the facsimile of the original source to the complete TEI document to which they might belong, therefore making it impossible for the users to analyze the complete picture the Guidelines try to portray. Therefore, TEI Lite aims to extend the base of full encoding examples as well as illustrate remaining fragmentary ones with a broader context, from facsimile images, through the editorial process, to a proposed final presentation. This will be achieved through extensive use of graphic and other media (e.g. screencasts or animations), not relying solely on textual descriptions of phenomena discussed. Finally, one of the common concerns with the TEI standard is its increasing idiosyncrasy, for the most part a consequence of the inability to express contextually diverse content models for the same element. TEI Lite 2.0 task force intends to propose a syntax and implementation for that problem, together with the reorganization of a number of elements. We hope that the results of this effort will pave the way for the new, P6, version of the TEI.

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Next Stylesheets meeting: October 29th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

Dear all, Tthe next Stylesheets meeting will take place on October 29th. There is a small poll in Slack to decide on the time since it will be in one of those weeks in the year in which our calendars are out of sync. The main point on the agenda is the discussed <valList> issue ( https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/issues/2597) (unless this is fixed before the meeting). Please, feel free to add any other topics to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Next Stylesheets meeting: September 24th
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 22 Sep '24

22 Sep '24

Dear all, According to the results of the poll, there aren’t any slots in which we are all available for 1h30, so let’s have 1h-long meetings on the last Tuesday of every month at 9am PDT / 12pm EDT / 4pm UTC / 6pm CEST. Thus, the next Stylesheets meeting will take place on September 24th. Please add any topics and/or issues you want to tackle to the agenda (I will be completing it soon): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Stylesheets meeting today
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 26 Aug '24

26 Aug '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place today (August 26) at 10am PDT / 1pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 7pm CEST. Please add any topics and/or issues you want to tackle to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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Reminder: TEI Council Monthly Call on Tuesday, August 13
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 12 Aug '24

12 Aug '24

Dear Council, A reminder that we plan for our monthly Council call this August on Tuesday, August 13 at 10:00–11:30 PDT 13:00–14:30 EDT 17:00–18:30 UTC 19:00–20:30 CEST Zoom: https://psu.zoom.us/j/98850059066?pwd=UzhBL2NFc1 This is an unusual date that we agreed on because so many of us were unavailable last week for the big DH 2024 conference in Washington, DC, and I’m going to be traveling to another conference later this week.) I’ll send our Google Doc soon with an agenda, but just wanted to remind you all of the weird date/time. Hope you can make it! Among other things we need to sort out is dates for our September, November, and December council meetings just before and after the Buenos Aires F2F! Cheers, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Reminder: Council Meeting Wed. July 10!
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 09 Jul '24

09 Jul '24

Hi Council! Just a quick reminder that we scheduled a meeting tomorrow to follow up on our happily successful release of the Guidelines/Stylesheets. We've invited Hugh to join us (thanks, Hugh!) so we can talk about changes to processing the Guidelines and perhaps an incremental release to correspond with the new website launch. Meeting time: 10:00am PDT / 1:00pm EDT / 5:00pm UTC / 7:00pm CEST Agenda + Zoom link <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lgrFBqvw-n9j7XDGE0hzvhTVU41XzT9UNjU2dVf…> Please update the agenda with anything we need to discuss! I've added several tickets that we nearly closed but didn't in time for the release that I think we can probably dispatch quickly... Thanks, everyone! See you soon! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD TEI Technical Council Chair Program Chair of Digital Media, Arts, and Technology | Professor of Digital Humanities | Director of the Digital Humanities Lab at Penn State Erie, The Behrend College Development site: https://newtfire.org

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Freeze is lifted
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 08 Jul '24

08 Jul '24

Dear all, We have successfully finished the release (thanks to Hugh Cayless and his assistance with some permission issues). This means that you can no push to dev. Best, The Release Technicians

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Freeze on release branch
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 08 Jul '24

08 Jul '24

Dear all, The release branches are now frozen: please do not push any changes. Best, The release technicians

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Freeze announcement
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 07 Jul '24

07 Jul '24

Dear all, We are officially in freeze: Please do not commit any changes to the dev branches until the release is finished. Best, H.

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victims of version vagueness
by Bauman, Syd 25 Jun '24

25 Jun '24

I started working on the teidata.version = teidata.version.unicode | teidata.version.semver | teidata.version.calver | teidata.whatever system today. (In a branch I have not committed, let alone pushed.) Less than halfway through the process I ran into a (moderately embarrassing) problem. It turns out calVer<https://calver.org/> is not a calendar-based version numbering system as we had assumed during our recent discussions. It is rather a cheerleading document in favor of calendar-based versioning in general, with both a breakdown of the potential components such a version number might use, and a list of specific projects that use a calendar-based version numbering system (along with the pattern of aforementioned components that project uses). My first reaction is I have no idea what we should do about this. My second reaction is I can easily scope out a range of options, as follows. 1. Do nothing with calVer — drop it from the list of TEI datatypes-to-be. 2. Go whole-hog: For every system described by calVer, create a TEI datatype that validates it. E.g., the datatype for the Ubuntu system would be defined with something like <dataRef name="token" restriction="([4-9]|[1-9][0-9]|[1-9][0-9][0-9])\.(0[[0-9]|1[0-2])(\.[0-9]+)?"/> Datatypes could be named flatly, e.g. teidata.version.ubuntu, or could be named hierarchicly, e.g. teidata.version.calendar.ubuntu. 3. Something in between. (E.g., calVer divides systems into case studies, notables, and others; maybe do #2 but only for the case study ones.) I really don’t like #1, because, in general, this is a great way to do version numbering. I encourage everyone to scan the major portions of the calVer document, if not read the whole thing.

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Next Stylesheets Meeting: June 24
by Helena Bermúdez Sabel 21 Jun '24

21 Jun '24

Dear all, The next Stylesheets meeting will take place on June 24th at 10am PDT / 1pm EDT / 5pm UTC / 7pm CEST. We will focus on the upcoming release, so if there is anything that you think needs to be tackled/discussed, please add it to the agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2raVt7dB9ti_O7JMoRRnu0KJk1JZbblB2tPDfp… Best, Helena

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