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Are we jumping to GitHub or are we not?
by Martin Holmes 04 Sep '15

04 Sep '15

Hi all, My Jinks is able to build the TEI products from GitHub, thanks to some help from Hugh, and James's will also be switched today as a secondary test. The only wrinkle is that Jinks will not be able to notify committers when a build fails, because GitHub doesn't have a transparent way of automatically associating committer ids with email addresses, but we can handle this by having it notify the Council mailing list instead. I've set that up, and I think it might just work out of the box but if not Kevin will be able to allow it. We now want to start revising those "Editing the Guidelines" and similar documents to point to GitHub, and consider what we're going to do about tickets. Is there anyone at this point who objects to moving the repo to GitHub? If not, then I suggest we start updating documentation. Tickets can stay on SF until we have a comfortable migration path for them. Cheers, Martin

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dtd jabberwock slain?
by Lou Burnard 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

I have now successfully run the P5 Makefile to completion in my local copy of the P5-Pure branch. I think an exclamation mark is warranted, so here it is ! Holmes's Cunning Wheeze of post-modifying the p5subset.xml seems to do the trick. And tweaking the ANT scripts both to generate and then to use the doctored version of same was not that hard, as Martin also predicted. However, this has yet to be tried out by anyone else, so I repeat my plea for someone to check out this branch and see if it works for them. I will of course be doing so on another computer myself, but that is not at all the same as a fresh pair of eyes.

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P5Pure: the next frontier
by Lou Burnard 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

If you try the html-web make target, you will see that &winita; -- the stylesheets concerned don't know anything about dataRef and the content model is (curiously) still displayed in RelaxNG. Sigh.

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ANTifying build process
by Peter Stadler 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I wanted to support Martin in his endeavor to move to ANT for our build process(es) and started working on a build.xml file in the P5 directory (within my new peterstadler-antify branch). Second reason, I want to become more familiar with the build process itself… It looks like a straightforward thing to do, the only things I'd like to change are: * create a directory "build" where all the built files go (rather than polluting the P5 directory * create a directory "release" where the zipped archives go Both directories then can easily be discarded when cleaning the working copy before commiting ;) Does that make sense? Is anyone already working on this by chance? Best Peter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV5hLZAAoJEJclm6G69Xq24gIH/34ez/QmIDAKbQ2sw3/PEzRK ERJyVdOWNCqv4m5lES6PDjVicVgpzjiOhR7l4sc57h/oPM6t1rxFKcftc6NBFkYl x//JmHNuCPM1BWV2wVN2jrGh+k6uXlov8rJoKMPFdzpFqdl9Yh+nebVuptDSOLxC GOSUjcJsXNgHYgXNNYFTodceRLUi/JDxL7zkFHMEvUtGSpQOEq7maeTnFpHPyfGG ASHOW35DGJXTzHFm8D72D7Ep3l35Vugm6nyGWURfSmQSfF7myaGDKGWjBsB/o9Kn TKrB+u1qC4Y2NwPeiUisGFk2L+ZCNtqEGBXlSvBa9uvUuaW5yk2w1adiVv/w/ZA= =Ja1L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Lyon meeting hotel
by Lou Burnard 01 Sep '15

01 Sep '15

Following Hugh's comments on the call, I have checked in at the "special rate" at the Mama Shelter from Saturday 25th for 8 nights. According to the conference website, "special TEI discount rate" of 106 euro per night is available, but only until 2 september, i.e. tomorrow. However, the hotel's own website doesn't seem to know anything about this, and offered me 79 euros for some nights of my stay and 115 for others. Oh well. It looks dead posh anyway.

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Update on build problems with P5
by Martin Holmes 01 Sep '15

01 Sep '15

HI all, Hugh and I have been wrestling with the very puzzling results of the P5 build on Jenkins: while TEIP5-Documentation works as expected, generating Guidelines based on the git version, TEIP5 seems to know nothing of git, and behaves as if we're still using svn. I think I've figured out the cause. The Makefile* includes targets "debversion" and "deb" (the latter depends on the former), and the latter seems to be shot through with explicit references to svn: @echo BUILD: make Debian tei-p5-database package (cd debian-tei-p5-database; debclean;debuild -eXSL=${XSL} -eINJENKINS=${INJENKINS} --no-lintian -nc -b -i.svn -I.svn -uc -us) The Documentation build does not try to build the deb packages, but the full P5 build calls: make* VCS=git clean deb dist and in the process of that happening, VCS is set back to svn somehow. If I call make* VCS=git clean dist everything works OK. I know nothing about building debian packages, so this is a mystery to me. I don't mind learning about it, and people assure me that it's not complicated, but it might be more than I can do in a couple of weeks, at least with any confidence. Does anyone else have familiarity with building deb packages? *I hate make. Cheers, Martin

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GitHub Repo import
by Hugh Cayless 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

Finally finished and available at https://github.com/TEIC/Guidelines Took about a week to run, with one interruption over the weekend due to some network glitch. Given the degree of pain involved, if we think this looks good, I think we should run with it. So let's: a) stop committing to SF (at least for now, maybe forever). Maybe I should actually restrict commit access to it lest anyone not on this list push an update. b) Check the above repo over for warts/see if anything's missing. There are a couple of branches that are artifacts of the CVS -> SVN migration that weren't visible on Sourceforge. We can probably get rid of them, but I haven't yet. There's also an sf/trunk branch, which I think is just a copy of master. Thoughts?

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TEI Simple vs TEI Minimal
by Martin Holmes 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

If you click on File / New in Oxygen, and look at the TEI P5 options, you'll see a bunch of templates called: Minimal Minimal with Internationalization Minimal with Math and so on. I believe that having TEI Simple alongside TEI Minimal (not to mention TEI Lite and TEI Tite as well) is going to be mighty confusing. I suggest that before we integrate Simple into this ecosystem we might want to reconsider whether we want these Minimal schemas or not. Cheers, Martin

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Agenda and Hangout info
by Hugh Cayless 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

Agenda is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16XMTZsjq09GnwBRiLCpzXbXTyd5R9dAVhKS3ZH2… The Google Hangout link is in the agenda. Do feel free to add items!

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let me share my pain
by Lou Burnard 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

You may be wondering how Pure ODD is progressing... Well, all over the place, there are bits of content model like this (expressed in pure ODD) <sequence minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"> <classRef key="model.divBottomPart" /> <classRef key="model.global" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/> </sequence> i.e. there may be nothing here at all, or there may be at least one member of the model.divBottomPart class possibly followed by some model.globals. This makes perfect sense when transformed to RelaxNG or even in XSD, but the DTD fragment we get for it is: (%model.divBottomPart;,(%model.global;)*)* which is not syntactically correct in DTD language. It needs to be ((%model.divBottomPart;),(%model.global;)*)* Alas, using the current oddtodtd, those extra parens only appear if the bare class reference is inside either a sequence or an alternation. But we have a schematron rule that says (reasonably enough) that a <sequence> must have two or more children. (We don't see this problem in the impure ODD, of course, because RelaxNG doesn't mind <group>s containing just a single pattern) This is not an isolated problem, either.... it's a favourite trick in our content models. Having spent most of today on this, I am reluctantly coming to one of the following conclusions: a) we should just abandon DTDs b) I could write a dirty hack to detect these things and post process the DTDs c) we should quietly drop the schematron rule d) someone (not me) should rewrite odd to dtd either to deal with these things properly or (more radically) to expand all parameter entities e) there is another silver bullet somewhere but i am too stupid to see it Any opinions? Recommendations?

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