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The problem with expected-results and p5subset
by Martin Holmes 18 Jul '19

18 Jul '19

Hi all, I think there's a possible partial solution to the chaos resulting from the fact that Stylesheets tests depend on p5subset.xml, so whenever the Specs change, the expected-results in the Stylesheets tests may also change. This is because we always try to use the same p5subset for every test: the current release. But if we make each test point at a specific version of p5subset.xml in the Vault, then that version will never change; so the Stylesheets output should also never change, unless we change the Stylesheets themselves, in which case we want to see what changes in the expected-results anyway. Anyone see any problem with this? Cheers, Martin

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Release 3.6.0 in progress: Freeze on Release Branches
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 16 Jul '19

16 Jul '19

Dear Council, Just a quick note to say, please don't push to release branches on Guidelines or Stylesheets...the Potrzebie release 3.6.0 is underway! Cheers, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <ebb8(a)pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org

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Re: [Tei-council] release notes
by James Cummings 16 Jul '19

16 Jul '19

Hi all, isn't that how SF shells always worked? I remember there always being done weirdness around this. I.e. easier to scp the files but getting an actual login was always difficult in some way. In release notes do things like: === A zip file with examples for ODD chaining has been added to the /TEIC/TEI/Documents/pureODD directory (#1882). === really belong since it is for a tutorial outside of the Guidelines that Council isn't writing? (Honest question, I'm not sure either way.) Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 1:40:45 AM To: Elisa Beshero-Bondar <ebb8(a)pitt.edu> Cc: TEI Council <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Subject: Re: [Tei-council] release notes I can't ssh into SF shell with my keys either, and I certainly used to be able to. Things seem to have changed since the last time I did it, though; the instructions here seem different: <https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Shell%20Service/> When I tried what's in TCW22 I was asked for a password, then the shell shut itself down automatically: __________________________________________ Password: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 Welcome! This is a restricted Shell Account. You can only copy files to/from here. Connection to frs.sourceforge.net closed. __________________________________________ It might be worth considering whether we want to bother with the SF release any more; or whether it should be left until after release day, to simplify things for the release technicians, and then someone could just do it later when there's no time pressure. Cheers, Martin On 2019-07-14 5:22 p.m., Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: > Nope-- no luck yet. Same problem as before: I'm prompted for a password > when I attempt SSH access to SourceForge TEI from the scratch-tei server. > And the tei(a)tei-c.org <mailto:tei@tei-c.org> server just times out so I > can't get in there at all. > > Thanks for the troubleshooting help... > > Elisa > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 2:15 AM Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>> wrote: > > I've added you to the admin group. Can you check again? > > There was a problem with the TEI server yesterday; apparently the db > server became unresponsive, so the site was giving "unable to > connect to > db" errors (why oh why did we go for WordPress? If there's one > community > on the planet who doesn't need a child-friendly interface to make web > pages, it's us, surely?) I emailed Jon and he says it's a problem with > Compute Canada, and they weren't responding to his requests to restart > it, so he's set up a new db server instance and pointed to that > instead. > I don't know whether any of this would affect what needs to happen on > release day, but I hope not; presumably the regular command-line stuff > will be unaffected. But let's keep our fingers crossed. > > Cheers, > Martin > > On 2019-07-14 5:03 p.m., Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: > > Thanks, Martin--I see I'm a developer there now. But I'm still being > > prompted for a password when I try this: ssh > > ebeshero,tei(a)frs.sourceforge.net <mailto:tei@frs.sourceforge.net> > <mailto:tei@frs.sourceforge.net <mailto:tei@frs.sourceforge.net>>. I'm > > doing this SSH-ing from a temporary "scratch-tei" server that > Luis set > > up, and I don't know if that has anything to do with it. > > > > I notice I'm unable to SSH into the usual place: ssh > tei(a)tei-c.org <mailto:tei@tei-c.org> > > <mailto:tei@tei-c.org <mailto:tei@tei-c.org>> (That just lags > and times out.) (But I'm able to > > get into the temporary server that Luis set up.) Maybe the > morning will > > bring some answers. > > Elisa > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:46 AM Martin Holmes <mholmes(a)uvic.ca > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca> > > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>>> wrote: > > > > Hi Elisa, > > > > I've added you as a developer; can you see if you have the > permissions > > you'll need? > > > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > > On 2019-07-14 4:29 p.m., Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: > > > I like it, too, but I'm also noting that "Potzrebie" is a > Polska > > word! > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie So it's kind of > perfect > > right > > > now while I'm staying with Magdalena! :-) > > > > > > By the way, I just posted this on Slack, but I think I > need to be a > > > member or developer or something of the TEI Project on > > Sourceforge. I'm > > > ebeshero there, and my public SSH key is in with my > account. Can > > someone > > > add me there, as I'm not apparently on the SourceForge TEI > > > member/developer list? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Elisa > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:18 AM Martin Holmes > <mholmes(a)uvic.ca <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca> > > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>> > > > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca> > <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca <mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Since Mad is just publishing its final edition > > > > > > (<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/last-laugh-mad-magazine-will-soon…>), > > > > > > I vote for whatmeworry. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Martin > > > > > > On 2019-07-14 3:01 p.m., Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote: > > > > However(!) I'm having second thoughts, reviewing the > > measurement > > > ticket > > > > and branch. I'd be happy to call this the > "potrzebie" or the > > > > "whatmeworry" release, in commemoration of the > measurement > > ticket > > > and in > > > > honor of the first Mad Magazine example going into the > > Guidelines > > > BIB > > > > (about the Potrzebie system with its whatmeworry > Mad Magazine > > > fictional > > > > power unit). Magdalena and I will debate it in the > morning and > > > decide on > > > > the codename. :-) > > > > > > > > What, me worry? > > > > Elisa > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:09 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar > > > <ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>> > > > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've checked our minutes from the May F2F > meeting: We'd > > > decided then > > > > to call this the "Rebel Release" and I like it > very much. > > > Also, as > > > > I'm supposed to make the release branch right > now, I think > > > the rebel > > > > associations with Bastille Day still apply. So! > codename > > > "rebel" okay? > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Elisa > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:37 PM Syd Bauman > > > > <s.bauman(a)northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu> > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>> > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu> > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>>> > > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu> > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>> > > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu> > > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu > <mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, Martin. Not surprisingly I've already hit > > several of > > > the things > > > > you note, and not others. > > > > > > > > > Looks good. This is a slight typo: > > > > > "An additional information that the unit > > attribute may be > > > > unnecessary > > > > > when the unitRef attribute is present > has been > > given > > > (#1905)." > > > > > It should be either "An additional > warning" or just > > > "Additional > > > > > information". > > > > > > > > Fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I'm confused by this: > > > > > "The factor attribute has been added to the > > unit element, > > > > which shows > > > > > factors of numerical values given in a > > referenced unit > > > element." > > > > > I thought the @formula attribute was the > final > > > decision? And its > > > > > datatype is XPath, surely? > > > > > > > > There is no @factor, so I deleted this > entire bit. > > (I did not > > > > fix the > > > > bit that is in there about @formula, though ... > > hope to > > > do that in a > > > > few.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the Japanese translations, I don't > think I > > should be > > > > thanked; it's > > > > > Kiyonori's team that's done the actual > translation, > > > and what > > > > I've been > > > > > doing (which is nowhere near half-done) > is largely > > > > mechanical. Good to > > > > > thank Hanna, but perhaps put her after > Kiyonori. > > > > > > > > Did not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also commented out two items completely, as I > > consider > > > them too > > > > minor to be in release notes (they are covered > > under the > > > last bullet > > > > point for the Guidelines, "Corrections of > > typographic errors, > > > > improvements on explanations, and > corrections of > > examples > > > have been > > > > conducted in various sections of the > Guidelines", > > which > > > I'm not sure > > > > should be a bullet point, but perhaps a > separate > > paragraph): > > > > > > > > * The description of schema validation of > > co-occurrence > > > > constraints > > > > has been cleaned up slightly (#1770). > [Also, > > this was not > > > > true, we > > > > deleted said description. The section from > > which it > > > was deleted > > > > needs some work, BTW.] > > > > > > > > * The change from http:// to https:// for > > relaxng.rng. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Tei-council mailing list > > > > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>>> > > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> > > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>>>> > > > > > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > > > > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate > > Professor > > > of English > > > > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities > > Division > > > > 150 Finoli Drive > > > > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > > > > E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>> > > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>>> > > > > Development site: http://newtfire.org > > <http://newtfire.org/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > > > > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate > Professor of > > > English > > > > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities > Division > > > > 150 Finoli Drive > > > > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > > > > E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>> > > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>>> > > > > Development site: http://newtfire.org > <http://newtfire.org/> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Tei-council mailing list > > > > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>>> > > > > > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Tei-council mailing list > > > Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> > > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > <mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>>> > > > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > > > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of > > English > > > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division > > > 150 Finoli Drive > > > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > > > E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> > > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>> > > > Development site: http://newtfire.org <http://newtfire.org/> > > 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of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division > 150 Finoli Drive > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> > Development site: http://newtfire.org <http://newtfire.org/> _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Release in progress! Stylesheets 7.48.0 release branch
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 15 Jul '19

15 Jul '19

Dear Council (cc: Martin and Lou), I've just created the release branch for the Stylesheets: https://github.com/TEIC/Stylesheets/tree/release-7.48.0 Martin, Peter, Raff--if you'd like to get started with setting Jenkins to monitor that branch, that would be great! :-) I'll make a release branch for the Documentation repo as well, since we've made some significant revisions there since May to TCW20. Magdalena is working on a bit of helpful explanation re #1414 to complete our work on the Guidelines for this release, and she'll be creating the Guidelines release branch when that is ready. We're trying to minimize having to make changes to the release branches in hopes of smooth sailing through this release process. Thanks, all! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu <ebb8(a)pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org

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Re: [Tei-council] release notes
by James Cummings 15 Jul '19

15 Jul '19

Dear Lou, That's a good idea (an ODD chaining test as part of the test suite). Many thanks, James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)newcastle.ac.uk Senior Lecturer in Late-Medieval Literature and Digital Humanities School of English, Newcastle University ________________________________ From: Tei-council <tei-council-bounces(a)lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Lou Burnard <lou.burnard(a)retired.ox.ac.uk> Sent: 15 July 2019 16:40 To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org <tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org> Subject: Re: [Tei-council] release notes On 15/07/2019 09:17, James Cummings wrote: In release notes do things like: === A zip file with examples for ODD chaining has been added to the /TEIC/TEI/Documents/pureODD directory (#1882). === really belong since it is for a tutorial outside of the Guidelines that Council isn't writing? I was a bit surprised to see that too: a simple corrigible error, noted by a ticket, and duly fixed, but hey why not. It reminds me to remind Council that it would really be a good idea to include an odd chaining test in the test suite. Though perhaps not until the long outstanding bugs in odd2odd have been fixed.

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release notes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 15 Jul '19

15 Jul '19

Dear all, please have a look at the release notes: https://jenkins.tei-c.org/job/TEIP5-dev/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/P5/rel… Best, Martina

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F2F meeting in Graz
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 12 Jul '19

12 Jul '19

Dear Council, I've put some information together for the F2F meeting in Graz: a skeleton agenda and travel information (see https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RGocTJ3hOIVy1p9gMqMjOObwNSPD3WCn). Please add your travel details to the table. Let me know if I can help with anything regarding your trip to and stay in Graz. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Graz soon! Martina

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release--where are we?
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 11 Jul '19

11 Jul '19

Dear Council, Since we are already in the middle of the freeze period, are there still any (big) issues to resolve? Elisa put a lot of work into measurement and I think it is ready to go. I'm also wondering about the pull request from Duncan on the uniHan issue - I think he met Phase 0, 1, 2, and 5. How should we proceed with that? Please have a look at the milestone and remove issues that do not go into the release: https://github.com/TEIC/TEI/milestones/Guidelines%203.6.0. There is already a milestone 3.7.0. Best, Martina

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nesting TEI, standoff
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 11 Jul '19

11 Jul '19

Dear all, I would like to respond to the TEI-L regarding our request for feedback on nesting TEI and deprecating teiCorpus, and thank them for the discussion. In light of the discussion I believe the nesting TEI is off the table for the upcoming release. I'll set this on the agenda for the F2F meeting in Graz. Furthermore, I want to propose to dedicate the Monday afternoon in Graz - which is the last day of our F2F meeting - to the standoff discussion and ask the original proposers (and perhaps others who were involved with the discussion) to join the meeting if they happen to be in Graz early. This could be a break-out group, while other Council members not directly involved in the discussion could continue to work on other issues. A half day is certainly not enough, but that could lead to a follow-up workshop, as we had already considered. Please let me know what you think. Best wishes, Martina

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Minutes
by Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger＠uni-graz.at) 10 Jul '19

10 Jul '19

Dear all, We are now up to date with the publication of our minutes (see https://tei-c.org/activities/council/meetings/). While the 2019 minutes were approved by a Council member (thanks to all for your help with approving them), last year's minutes were not approved. I cleaned them up in suggestion mode, so everything is traceable in case Council decides to approve them in retrospect. I'll send an email to the TEI-L and announce the publication of the F2F Washington minutes. Best wishes, Martina

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