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who made it to dinner Sun?
by Syd Bauman 29 Apr '16

29 Apr '16

Just trying to confirm who was at dinner Sun 04-24 at the Trinity Brewhouse: * Syd Bauman * Elisa Beshero-Bondar * James Cummings * Stefan Majewski * Martina Scholger * Peter Stadler * Raffaele Viglianti Anyone else? Anyone listed who was *not* there?

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Fwd: XML Prague 2017
by Magdalena Turska 29 Apr '16

29 Apr '16

Dear all, forwarding the email with the dates for XML Prague next year. If we agree this is where we want to meet next year, then save the dates ;-) Best, Magdalena ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jirka Kosek <jirka(a)kosek.cz> Date: 29 April 2016 at 12:49 Subject: Re: XML Prague 2017 To: Magdalena Turska <tuurma(a)gmail.com> On 13.4.2016 13:48, Magdalena Turska wrote: > I understand it's perhaps too early, but if you already know something (eg > that no way it's going to happen in February), I'd appreciate letting me > know. Hi Magdalena, dates are February 9-11, 2017 Hope it will help you with planning of your TEI event. We will announce call for XML Prague workshop during the autumn, I think it would be cool to have something TEI related at XML Prague. Have a nice weekend, Jirka -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jirka Kosek e-mail: jirka(a)kosek.cz http://xmlguru.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------ Professional XML and Web consulting and training services DocBook/DITA customization, custom XSLT/XSL-FO document processing ------------------------------------------------------------------ OASIS DocBook TC member, W3C Invited Expert, ISO JTC1/SC34 rep. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bringing you XML Prague conference http://xmlprague.cz ------------------------------------------------------------------

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Photo bomb
by Lou Burnard 28 Apr '16

28 Apr '16

https://goo.gl/photos/MJQFZWtfhgBAzzuAA is a link to the photo album I just created for us to share photos of the last few days Sent from my Honor Mobile

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oxygen-tei-bleeding
by James Cummings 27 Apr '16

27 Apr '16

Syd asked where to get the oxygen-tei-bleeding framework. This is at: http://jenkins.tei-c.org/job/oxygen-tei-bleeding/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifa… In oXygen if you go to Options -> Add-ons you can add this as an add on using this URL, checking the box for automatic updates (restart oxygen) You can then go to Help -> manage add-ons or Help -> Install New Add-ons (from memory) and use this URL to get the new package. (restart oxygen) My blog post from 2014 http://blogs.it.ox.ac.uk/jamesc/2014/04/02/auto-update-your-tei-framework-i… has some info but it has changed slightly in post 16.x releases. If you get that setup and the framework initially updated, then you should get prompted for updates much more frequently, when the bleeding framework has been updated. (You can postpone/ignore these updates if you want.) -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford

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debs
by Stefan Majewski 26 Apr '16

26 Apr '16

Hi, I set up a space on our server bound to the name packages.tei-c.org on 193.170.113.222 so currently the packages should be available at: #sources.list deb http://packages.tei-c.org/deb/binary ./ given the right DNS entry or /etc/hosts file The signing key fingerprint is 4C1AAD67: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC77BEA304C1AAD67 What I am currently struggling with is the stylesheets build, which tends to yield varying results. It does not build the documentation, because I have not oxygen on this machine. Nevertheless, I think it could be good to try whether the repo works at all. cheers, Stefan

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TEI Simple Briefing Document
by James Cummings 25 Apr '16

25 Apr '16

Some of you may have noticed there is a link from the agenda (for tomorrow) to a google doc summary on TEI Simple and where it is now. In case you didn't read ahead, the link is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E1ZrN93QJttiUvP1NzqR05o1uUqX_-eHWFX_z42… -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford

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At the lobby at 9:05
by Raffaele Viglianti 25 Apr '16

25 Apr '16

Good morning Council! Those of us staying at the Hilton are planning to meet at 9:05am to walk to the library on campus, where Elli will meet us at 9:20. Raff

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logistics: dinner Sun, meeting Mon
by Syd Bauman 24 Apr '16

24 Apr '16

Most folks will be in town by tomorrow (Sun 04-24) night. So I thought we should all head out to dinner together. Elli may or may not be able to join us. I'll head over to the hotel[1] at around 18:00. If I don't find y'all in the lobby, I'll start calling people's rooms. We can decide where to go then. I am not really very familiar with the area, but here are some suggestions: Trinity Brewhouse (10 min walk): A bit noisy IMHO (but lots of places are); supposedly has very good beer http://www.trinitybrewhouse.com/ Providence GPub (2 min walk): http://www.providencegpub.com/ Mile and a Quarter (9 min walk): A bit more upscale than we might want http://www.mileandaquarterri.com/ 10 Prime Steak & Sushi (2 min walk): http://www.tenprimesteakandsushi.com/ On Monday morning 04-25 you should plan to be in the lobby of the Rock Library[2] at around 09:20 to get your "I'm allowed in" credentials from Elli. Elli's logistical info: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lTfB34MS8lbdvO53bsyLsJbXCyan7MWGWJS2MnW… Hugh's planning doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OQd0vqLegge3aPWFZtovd0QIZiZG5bcqTK2sb8f… Notes ----- [1] Hampton Inn & Suites Providence Downtown 58 Weybosset Street Providence, RI 02903 [2] 10 Prospect Street (W side of Prospect between College & George) Providence, RI 02912

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Re: [tei-council] Roma's Sanity Checker broken
by James Cummings 22 Apr '16

22 Apr '16

Nope, happily the Oxford Roma and OxGarage are still 2 versions behind. I've pointed on the Issue on github as to where I _think_ in the PHP the sanitychecker is making assumptions that it is working in a RelaxNG world. In case someone has time and PHP knowledge to help. We could try contacting the author Ioan Bernevig of course to see if they want to fix it. -James On 22/04/16 14:17, Lou Burnard wrote: > The circumvent ion for the moment is to save your Roma > customisation as an odd and then process that to a schema in > oxygen or at the command line. Or revert to the Roma server at > Oxford. Unless James has updated that one in the meantime. > > Sent from my Honor Mobile > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [tei-council] Roma's Sanity Checker broken > From: James Cummings > To: tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > CC: > > We've already known about it for a fortnight: > > https://github.com/TEIC/Roma/issues/13 > > I've suggested that it is likely the move to Pure ODD content > models and that the sanity checker has some hard coded > assumptions about Relax NG content models. I've not had time to > look through the sanity checker code yet to see what is really > causing the error. > > -James > > > On 22/04/16 13:53, Kevin Hawkins wrote: > > I'm giving you a head-start on solving this problem ... > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Re: TEI-Problem > > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 07:52:42 -0500 > > From: Kevin Hawkins <kevin.s.hawkins(a)ultraslavonic.info> > > To: teresa bonasia <teresa.bonasia(a)outlook.it> > > CC: web(a)tei-c.org <web(a)tei-c.org> > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for contacting the TEI webmasters (at web(a)tei-c.org) > > The other recipient for your message > > (listserv(a)listserv.brown.edu) can only receive LISTSERV commands. > > > > I have verified this problem with Roma. Please contact > > tei-l(a)listserv.brown.edu to alert the wider community to this > > problem, and someone from the Technical Council, which > > maintains Roma, will respond. > > > > Kevin Hawkins > > TEI webmaster > > > > On 4/22/16 3:51 AM, teresa bonasia wrote: > >> I want to report a problem. At the moment of the Sanity > >> Checker the result of the page is: *"The schema is broken"*. > >> This problem occurred with other users. I want to know how to > >> do. Waiting for a response, > >> Regards > >> Bonasia Teresa > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT > Services, University of Oxford > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council(a)lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings(a)it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford

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Roma's Sanity Checker broken
by Kevin Hawkins 22 Apr '16

22 Apr '16

I'm giving you a head-start on solving this problem ... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: TEI-Problem Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 07:52:42 -0500 From: Kevin Hawkins <kevin.s.hawkins(a)ultraslavonic.info> To: teresa bonasia <teresa.bonasia(a)outlook.it> CC: web(a)tei-c.org <web(a)tei-c.org> Hello, Thank you for contacting the TEI webmasters (at web(a)tei-c.org) The other recipient for your message (listserv(a)listserv.brown.edu) can only receive LISTSERV commands. I have verified this problem with Roma. Please contact tei-l(a)listserv.brown.edu to alert the wider community to this problem, and someone from the Technical Council, which maintains Roma, will respond. Kevin Hawkins TEI webmaster On 4/22/16 3:51 AM, teresa bonasia wrote: > I want to report a problem. At the moment of the Sanity Checker the > result of the page is: *"The schema is broken"*. This problem occurred > with other users. I want to know how to do. Waiting for a response, > Regards > Bonasia Teresa

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F2F Planning
by Hugh Cayless 17 Apr '16

17 Apr '16

Hi All, I’ve put up a skeleton planning document at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OQd0vqLegge3aPWFZtovd0QIZiZG5bcqTK2sb8f…. Please add anything you’d like to see discussed. I’m sure I’m missing stuff. Does anyone have any technical presentations they’d like to do or see done? Looking forward to seeing you all in Providence! I’ll be arriving Monday morning, hopefully just a little after 9:00, but I set the start time at 9:30 just in case. Hugh

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room reservation numbers
by Mylonas, Elli 15 Apr '16

15 Apr '16

are listed on the google doc. --elli

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Build failed in Jenkins: Stylesheets #2011
by Victoria TEI Jenkins 15 Apr '16

15 Apr '16

See <http://teijenkins.hcmc.uvic.ca/job/Stylesheets/2011/changes> Changes: [Martin Holmes] Update VERSION ------------------------------------------ [...truncated 2897 lines...] < </define> < <define name="model.lexicalRefinement_sequenceOptional"> < <optional> < <ref name="gramGrp"/> < </optional> < <optional> < <ref name="pos"/> < </optional> < <optional> < <ref name="subc"/> < </optional> < <optional> < <ref name="colloc"/> < </optional> < <optional> < <ref name="usg"/> < </optional> < <optional> < <ref name="lbl"/> < </optional> < </define> < <define name="model.lexicalRefinement_sequenceOptionalRepeatable"> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="gramGrp"/> < </zeroOrMore> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="pos"/> < </zeroOrMore> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="subc"/> < </zeroOrMore> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="colloc"/> < </zeroOrMore> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="usg"/> < </zeroOrMore> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="lbl"/> < </zeroOrMore> < </define> < <define 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9426d8860 < <ref name="att.notated.attributes"/> 9431,9433c8865,8871 < <data type="token"> < <param name="pattern">(\p{L}|\p{N}|\p{P}|\p{S})+</param> < </data> --- > <ref name="data.enumerated"/> > </attribute> > </optional> > <optional> > <attribute name="notation"> > <a:documentation xmlns:a="http://relaxng.org/ns/compatibility/annotations/1.0">indicates what notation is used for the pronunciation, if more than one occurs in the machine-readable dictionary.</a:documentation> > <ref name="data.enumerated"/> 9475,9477c8913 < <data type="token"> < <param name="pattern">(\p{L}|\p{N}|\p{P}|\p{S})+</param> < </data> --- > <ref name="data.enumerated"/> 9547,9549c8983 < <data type="token"> < <param name="pattern">(\p{L}|\p{N}|\p{P}|\p{S})+</param> < </data> --- > <ref name="data.enumerated"/> 9623c9057 < <ref name="gramGrp"/> --- > <ref name="model.morphLike"/> 9652,9654c9086 < <data type="token"> < <param name="pattern">(\p{L}|\p{N}|\p{P}|\p{S})+</param> < </data> --- > <ref 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name="att.notated.attributes"/> --- > <optional> > <attribute name="notation"> > <a:documentation xmlns:a="http://relaxng.org/ns/compatibility/annotations/1.0">indicates what notation is used for the pronunciation, if more than one occurs in the machine-readable dictionary.</a:documentation> > <ref name="data.enumerated"/> > </attribute> > </optional> 9821,9826c9236,9239 < <group> < <ref name="row"/> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="model.global"/> < </zeroOrMore> < </group> --- > <ref name="row"/> > <zeroOrMore> > <ref name="model.global"/> > </zeroOrMore> 9829,9839c9242 < <group> < <ref name="model.graphicLike"/> < <zeroOrMore> < <ref name="model.global"/> < </zeroOrMore> < </group> < </oneOrMore> < </choice> < <zeroOrMore> < <group> < <ref name="model.divBottom"/> --- > <ref name="model.graphicLike"/> 9843c9246,9252 < </group> --- > </oneOrMore> > </choice> > <zeroOrMore> > <ref name="model.divBottom"/> > <zeroOrMore> > <ref name="model.global"/> > </zeroOrMore> 9847d9255 < <ref 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some changes got lost :(
by Peter Stadler 07 Apr '16

07 Apr '16

Dear all, I’m sorry to say that obviously some commits to the TEIC/TEI dev branch got erroneously overwritten by subsequent commits. I just realized when I looked at the current header chapter and found the modifications I made to the correspDesc section missing. There were a bunch of changes (for a list see issue #1350) and obviously they got lost during the "merge branch 'dev' of github.com:TEIC/TEI into dev“ by some hcayless (Jan 9, commit 6bc49d05f1b0d9385c10563e843c3baeed557591). It’s not clear to me how that happened, especially since Syd’s commit (c5e0adb713042c024bf64d93a8bf4291ed4f875f) came between mine and Hugh’s while his changes to the header chapter were added correctly (and didn’t overwrite mine)?! Peter

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Jenkins working group
by Hugh Cayless 06 Apr '16

06 Apr '16

Dear All, Some of us have been chatting about setting up a working group to get our Jenkins testing protocols properly sorted out and to make it easier to set up new TEI Jenkins environments. Is there anyone who's not in on the current discussion (Martin, James, Peter, Elisa, and Syd) who'd like to join in on such a thing? Hugh

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Re: [tei-council] msItemStuct / filiation
by Lou Burnard 06 Apr '16

06 Apr '16

Hi Matija This seems to be the result of a cut and paste error several years ago: the mistake has been there since a change to the content model which I made at the end of October 2012. I've fixed it now, so it will appear in the next release. Lou On 06/04/16 14:22, Matija Ogrin wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I wished to ask why the <filiation> element doesn't seem to be valid > within <msItemStruct> any more? > > The related division of the Guidelines > http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/MS.html#mscoit > admits <filiation> in both <msItem> and <msItemStruct> (as was the > practice earlier), but the specific table on <filiation> element > http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-filiation.html > actually says what also a recently generated schema does: that > <filiation> may be contained by <msItem> only. > > Thanks for any comments. Best, > Matija >

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Simple Analytic Mechanisms and quotation markup
by Elisa Beshero-Bondar 02 Apr '16

02 Apr '16

Council-- I have a feeling this has probably come up before, but I thought I'd ask here if there's a quick answer. Some of my students have decided to upconvert a project to TEI and to apply `<s>` and `<w>` to do some grammatical markup. And they're trying to figure out how to deal with quoted phrases: Before they'd started the grammatical adventure, they'd been orienting themselves to the various ways to mark quotation (`<said>`, `<mentioned>`, `<q>`, etc.) and had worked out a good system for working with <q>. Now that they're working inside `<s>` elements, though, they discovered the hard way that they can't nest `<q>` inside `<s>`. Before letting them go and rewrite the rules to make it valid for their project for <q> sit in <s>, I found myself cautioning them that there may be a better way. Here's what I wrote: - You've noticed that the TEI content model for the <s> element is restrictive and does not permit the <q> element inside. True. And that may seem "fubared", except that *none* of the elements used for structuring "simple analytic mechanisms" (neither <s> nor its cousin <cl>, and nor the somewhat more permissive <phr>) allow for <q> inside. That exclusion appears to be deliberate, and I think it is because the <s>, <cl>, <phr>, and <w> are a special set of elements that could *by themselves with attributes* convey the information you're wanting to deliver with <q>. Here's what I'd recommend then: Instead of <q>, find its equivalent in an element native to Simple Analytic Mechanisms: I expect that is <phr> for phrase, and add an @type and/or and @rend to indicate you're signalling quotation marks. Work with Ch. 17 a while and I think you'll see why this seems the wiser course. I'm a little troubled by my own response, though, since `<mentioned>` is permitted both inside and outside `<phr>`, so now I'm wondering why the others aren't: I discover `<q>` isn't permitted inside `<phr>` for example. I'll go digging for the history of this, but if anyone here has perspective, I'd be grateful--I imagine this must come up and probably has a lot on the main TEI list. Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8(a)pitt.edu about.me/ebbondar

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April F2F logistics
by Mylonas, Elli 01 Apr '16

01 Apr '16

Hi all - i've made a google doc with information in it. Please check and fill out. If you don't have a flight confirmed but are pretty sure of dates, just put them in and say so in the note. I'm trying to finalize hotel reservations at the Hampton Inn. I have made a google doc where you can enter information. This is viewable to anyone with the link, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lTfB34MS8lbdvO53bsyLsJbXCyan7MWGWJS2MnW… thanks, --elli

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