Hi all (sorry for the delayed response), I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go regardless as I saved my research funds for it. Raff On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Hi!

Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely that I go there. Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro workshop.

I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them.

@Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to get funding?

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but I've started saving.

I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your TEI questions" or something.

Best wishes,

James

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________________________________ From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

...

The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska wrote:

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Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much where Hugh does :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US.

Magdalena

On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman wrote:

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It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach standard WWP workshop or almost anything else.

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PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example. On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree. Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something.

Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there.

For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI?

Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all (sorry for the delayed response),

I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go regardless as I saved my research funds for it.

Raff

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote:

...

Hi!

Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely that I go there. Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro workshop.

I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them.

@Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to get funding?

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but I've started saving.

I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your TEI questions" or something.

Best wishes,

James

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________________________________ From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

...

The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska wrote:

...

Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much where Hugh does :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US.

Magdalena

On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman wrote:

...

It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach standard WWP workshop or almost anything else.

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Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to output something useful). I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer. I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation provides. Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org Typeset by hand on my iPad

On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Hi,

I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted-mith-wednesday-may-31...) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory then).

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 04:38 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example.

On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree.

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something.

Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there.

For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI?

Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all (sorry for the delayed response),

I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go regardless as I saved my research funds for it.

Raff

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote:

...

Hi!

Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely that I go there. Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro workshop.

I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them.

@Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to get funding?

Best wishes, Martina

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I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but I've started saving.

I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your TEI questions" or something.

Best wishes,

James

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________________________________ From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

...

The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska wrote:

...

Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much where Hugh does :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US.

Magdalena

On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman wrote:

> It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will > most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach > standard WWP workshop or almost anything else. > > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Re: the STS workshop, Hugh and I showed how to do a simple TEI publication using CETEIcean, no coding involved besides copy-pasting a template or using a pre-made file, just TEI coding. Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsxigB0CqM... I think this approach makes using TEI as simple as creating minimal editions (e.g. with markdown); an approach that, as Elisa identified, dangerously discredits the sophistication of TEI in favor of simplicity (reminding DH scholars that minimalism doesn't mean simplicity is always a worthy cause in my book). Having said that, an introduction to XPath is a good way of showing how to simply *extract* information from a TEI document (which is different from publishing a TEI document), so I'm not against that idea either -- it's a matter of what do we want to highlight: publishing or analysis. Raff On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Elisa wrote:

What if the proposal title for the afternoon session were, “How to Read and Navigate TEI Code with some Basic Processing” (that requires no installations beyond oXygen), that would fit what I am describing. If we want to try eXist-dB, I have an installation on a web server that I only use for training purposes—and the benefit is the view it provides of surveying a collection of files with simple XPath expressions. Thus, no challenging installation or debugging people’s setup is required— just aim your browser at the training database on the web.

If the database is stocked with an interesting variety of TEI—for linguistics, for manuscripts, some EpiDoc, etc, the XPath orientation becomes a way of surveying different models and varieties of TEI as well. If we place emphasis here on simply *learning to read* XML, this is mainly the goal of my proposal for the afternoon. This way the entire day is not on how to write code, and the second half it is not on learning just one way to publish it before you have learned the many ways you can view it. Reading the code with XPath leads readily to some basic transformations—produce a list of the linguistic phenomena you have marked; study someone else’s use of this attribute; notice how often this turns up inside that.

Does that sound better? I think we face a problem of perception of what is “introductory” that often keeps people fenced off from the perspective they need to continue independently after a workshop ends. This is a topic I care about because I see ADHO and “big tent” arenas of DH as the places where people form opinions about TEI and whether it is accessible or too much work for too little reward. It doesn’t take much to teach people how to read, in the same day on which they learn to write. I think the training may stand to accomplish more for the people who might come to learn from us.

Elisa

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Typeset by hand on my iPad

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Elisa wrote:

Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to output something useful).

I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer.

I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation provides.

Elisa

-- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Hi,

I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- mith-wednesday-may-31st/) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory then).

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 04:38 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example.

On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree.

Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something.

Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there.

For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI?

Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all (sorry for the delayed response),

I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go regardless as I saved my research funds for it.

Raff

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) < martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote:

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Hi!

Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely that I go there. Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro workshop.

I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_> 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them.

@Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to get funding?

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but I've started saving.

I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your TEI questions" or something.

Best wishes,

James

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Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk

School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle University

________________________________ From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...?

Elisa

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> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me > wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we > imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of > think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us > planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in > common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full > proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...? > > Elisa > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska

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Hugh— That’s a good point, and I think a good argument for working with eXist-db for a little XPath and a bit of processing, since it’s free to install. (Also easy to access with a network connection if you start with a web server.) —Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

On Feb 13, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I'd make the argument (and will if I can get my shit together to submit it as a TEI paper) that easy does not equal simple. But totally agree with Raff, terminology aside.

I'd say two things: first, whoever ends up doing this has the absolute right to design their own workshop! Second, I'm mindful of the keynote Gimena del Rio Rande gave in Victoria. Should we be thinking about pitching something aimed at doing TEI in a computing environment that's more constrained than most of us are used to? Where Oxygen is way too expensive to consider? I guess the real question is whether the attendees will be the usual suspects or whether we might pick up some TEI-interested local or regional students, and what are their needs likely to be?

Hugh

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: the STS workshop, Hugh and I showed how to do a simple TEI publication using CETEIcean, no coding involved besides copy-pasting a template or using a pre-made file, just TEI coding. Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsx igB0CqMYMxEtNY/edit

I think this approach makes using TEI as simple as creating minimal editions (e.g. with markdown); an approach that, as Elisa identified, dangerously discredits the sophistication of TEI in favor of simplicity (reminding DH scholars that minimalism doesn't mean simplicity is always a worthy cause in my book).

Having said that, an introduction to XPath is a good way of showing how to simply *extract* information from a TEI document (which is different from publishing a TEI document), so I'm not against that idea either -- it's a matter of what do we want to highlight: publishing or analysis.

Raff

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What if the proposal title for the afternoon session were, “How to Read and Navigate TEI Code with some Basic Processing” (that requires no installations beyond oXygen), that would fit what I am describing. If we want to try eXist-dB, I have an installation on a web server that I only use for training purposes—and the benefit is the view it provides of surveying a collection of files with simple XPath expressions. Thus, no challenging installation or debugging people’s setup is required— just aim your browser at the training database on the web.

If the database is stocked with an interesting variety of TEI—for linguistics, for manuscripts, some EpiDoc, etc, the XPath orientation becomes a way of surveying different models and varieties of TEI as well. If we place emphasis here on simply *learning to read* XML, this is mainly the goal of my proposal for the afternoon. This way the entire day is not on how to write code, and the second half it is not on learning just one way to publish it before you have learned the many ways you can view it. Reading the code with XPath leads readily to some basic transformations—produce a list of the linguistic phenomena you have marked; study someone else’s use of this attribute; notice how often this turns up inside that.

Does that sound better? I think we face a problem of perception of what is “introductory” that often keeps people fenced off from the perspective they need to continue independently after a workshop ends. This is a topic I care about because I see ADHO and “big tent” arenas of DH as the places where people form opinions about TEI and whether it is accessible or too much work for too little reward. It doesn’t take much to teach people how to read, in the same day on which they learn to write. I think the training may stand to accomplish more for the people who might come to learn from us.

Elisa

-- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Elisa wrote:

Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to output something useful).

I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer.

I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation provides.

Elisa

-- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Hi,

I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- mith-wednesday-may-31st/) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory then).

Best wishes, Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 04:38 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example.

On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree.

Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote:

I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something.

Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there.

For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI?

Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all (sorry for the delayed response), > > I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go > regardless as I saved my research funds for it. > > Raff > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( > martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) < martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely >> that I go there. >> Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also >> think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro >> workshop. >> >> I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_> >> 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing >> If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them. >> >> @Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to >> get funding? >> >> Best wishes, >> Martina >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ >> lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 >> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >> >> I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than >> wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but >> I've started saving. >> >> >> I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or >> being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your >> TEI questions" or something. >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> James >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk >> >> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle >> University >> >> ________________________________ >> From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org > tei-c.org> on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar >> Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 >> To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >> >> Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: >> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder >> if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an >> introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps >> people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For >> those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share >> in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, >> but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...? >> >> Elisa >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebb8@pitt.edu

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>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, >>>> and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much >>>> where Hugh does >>>> :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where >>>> it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US. >>>> >>>> Magdalena >>>> >>>> On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman < s.bauman@northeastern.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will >>>>> most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach >>>>> standard WWP workshop or almost anything else. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>> >>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> tei-council mailing list >>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>> >>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>> 150 Finoli Drive >>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu >>> Development site: http://newtfire.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >> 150 Finoli Drive >> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu >> Development site: http://newtfire.org >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Hi all— The deadline for the ADHO 2018 workshop proposal is tomorrow, I think? I’m working on another deadline right now (everything converging at once). Are we going to try a sprint to put a proposal together in a day, or do you think we can beg the conference organizers for a little time so we can work out the writing when we’re together? I don’t think it’ll take us long, but I suspect we’re all pretty hard-pressed right now… Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Elisa, thanks for your clarification, I now understand better what you are aiming at. Thanks for the slides! Martina

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Hugh— That’s a good point, and I think a good argument for working with eXist-db for a little XPath and a bit of processing, since it’s free to install. (Also easy to access with a network connection if you start with a web server.) —Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I'd make the argument (and will if I can get my shit together to submit it as a TEI paper) that easy does not equal simple. But totally agree with Raff, terminology aside.

I'd say two things: first, whoever ends up doing this has the absolute right to design their own workshop! Second, I'm mindful of the keynote Gimena del Rio Rande gave in Victoria. Should we be thinking about pitching something aimed at doing TEI in a computing environment that's more constrained than most of us are used to? Where Oxygen is way too expensive to consider? I guess the real question is whether the attendees will be the usual suspects or whether we might pick up some TEI-interested local or regional students, and what are their needs likely to be?

Hugh

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Re: the STS workshop, Hugh and I showed how to do a simple TEI publication using CETEIcean, no coding involved besides copy-pasting a template or using a pre-made file, just TEI coding. Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsx igB0CqMYMxEtNY/edit

I think this approach makes using TEI as simple as creating minimal editions (e.g. with markdown); an approach that, as Elisa identified, dangerously discredits the sophistication of TEI in favor of simplicity (reminding DH scholars that minimalism doesn't mean simplicity is always a worthy cause in my book).

Having said that, an introduction to XPath is a good way of showing how to simply *extract* information from a TEI document (which is different from publishing a TEI document), so I'm not against that idea either -- it's a matter of what do we want to highlight: publishing or analysis.

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What if the proposal title for the afternoon session were, “How to Read and Navigate TEI Code with some Basic Processing” (that requires no installations beyond oXygen), that would fit what I am describing. If we want to try eXist-dB, I have an installation on a web server that I only use for training purposes—and the benefit is the view it provides of surveying a collection of files with simple XPath expressions. Thus, no challenging installation or debugging people’s setup is required— just aim your browser at the training database on the web.

If the database is stocked with an interesting variety of TEI—for linguistics, for manuscripts, some EpiDoc, etc, the XPath orientation becomes a way of surveying different models and varieties of TEI as well. If we place emphasis here on simply *learning to read* XML, this is mainly the goal of my proposal for the afternoon. This way the entire day is not on how to write code, and the second half it is not on learning just one way to publish it before you have learned the many ways you can view it. Reading the code with XPath leads readily to some basic transformations—produce a list of the linguistic phenomena you have marked; study someone else’s use of this attribute; notice how often this turns up inside that.

Does that sound better? I think we face a problem of perception of what is “introductory” that often keeps people fenced off from the perspective they need to continue independently after a workshop ends. This is a topic I care about because I see ADHO and “big tent” arenas of DH as the places where people form opinions about TEI and whether it is accessible or too much work for too little reward. It doesn’t take much to teach people how to read, in the same day on which they learn to write. I think the training may stand to accomplish more for the people who might come to learn from us.

Elisa

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Elisa wrote:

Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to output something useful).

I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer.

I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation provides.

Elisa

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Hi,

I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- mith-wednesday-may-31st/) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory then).

Best wishes, Martina

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PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example.

On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree.

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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote: > > I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something. > > Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there. > > For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI? > > Thanks, > Elisa > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division > 150 Finoli Drive > Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu > Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ > > > > > > >> On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all (sorry for the delayed response), >> >> I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go >> regardless as I saved my research funds for it. >> >> Raff >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( >> martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) < martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely >>> that I go there. >>> Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also >>> think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro >>> workshop. >>> >>> I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_> >>> 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing >>> If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them. >>> >>> @Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to >>> get funding? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Martina >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ >>> lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 >>> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>> >>> I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than >>> wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but >>> I've started saving. >>> >>> >>> I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or >>> being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your >>> TEI questions" or something. >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk >>> >>> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle >>> University >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org >> tei-c.org> on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar >>> Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 >>> To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>> >>> Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: >>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder >>> if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an >>> introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps >>> people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For >>> those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share >>> in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, >>> but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...? >>> >>> Elisa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebb8@pitt.edu

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>>> wrote: >>> >>>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me >>>> wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we >>>> imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of >>>> think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us >>>> planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in >>>> common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full >>>> proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to >>> start with...? >>>> >>>> Elisa >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska < tuurma@gmail.com

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>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, >>>>> and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much >>>>> where Hugh does >>>>> :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where >>>>> it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US. >>>>> >>>>> Magdalena >>>>> >>>>> On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman < s.bauman@northeastern.edu> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will >>>>>> most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach >>>>>> standard WWP workshop or almost anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>> >>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>> >>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>>> 150 Finoli Drive >>>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu >>>> Development site: http://newtfire.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>> 150 Finoli Drive >>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu >>> Development site: http://newtfire.org >>> -- >>> tei-council mailing list >>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>> -- >>> tei-council mailing list >>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>> -- >>> tei-council mailing list >>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>> >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >

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I can try writing something hastily this evening to fill in some boxes—can anyone else take time between tonight and tomorrow to edit and submit this? Since I’m just volunteering for something in the afternoon, I’m just intending to fill in a piece of the proposal and not the whole. I’m likely to be at the conference, and I think we should probably step up and offer something introductory for this location and this conference—it would be good for the TEI and our outreach. Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

On Feb 15, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Magdalena Turska wrote:

Hi guys,

unfortunately my reviews were pretty bad this year, so I do not expect my papers to be accepted. I had already decided not to go, so I'm not proposing an eXist-db workshop either. Maybe next time if it's a bit closer to Europe. Obviously I fully support exposing Mexico to the joys of existeering and TEI :-)

M

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Hi all— The deadline for the ADHO 2018 workshop proposal is tomorrow, I think? I’m working on another deadline right now (everything converging at once). Are we going to try a sprint to put a proposal together in a day, or do you think we can beg the conference organizers for a little time so we can work out the writing when we’re together? I don’t think it’ll take us long, but I suspect we’re all pretty hard-pressed right now…

Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

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On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote:

Elisa, thanks for your clarification, I now understand better what you are aiming at. Thanks for the slides! Martina

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Hugh— That’s a good point, and I think a good argument for working with eXist-db for a little XPath and a bit of processing, since it’s free to install. (Also easy to access with a network connection if you start with a web server.) —Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ < http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/> <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>>

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I'd make the argument (and will if I can get my shit together to submit it as a TEI paper) that easy does not equal simple. But totally agree with Raff, terminology aside.

I'd say two things: first, whoever ends up doing this has the absolute right to design their own workshop! Second, I'm mindful of the keynote Gimena del Rio Rande gave in Victoria. Should we be thinking about pitching something aimed at doing TEI in a computing environment that's more constrained than most of us are used to? Where Oxygen is way too expensive to consider? I guess the real question is whether the attendees will be the usual suspects or whether we might pick up some TEI-interested local or regional students, and what are their needs likely to be?

Hugh

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: the STS workshop, Hugh and I showed how to do a simple TEI publication using CETEIcean, no coding involved besides copy-pasting a template or using a pre-made file, just TEI coding. Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsx igB0CqMYMxEtNY/edit

I think this approach makes using TEI as simple as creating minimal editions (e.g. with markdown); an approach that, as Elisa identified, dangerously discredits the sophistication of TEI in favor of simplicity (reminding DH scholars that minimalism doesn't mean simplicity is always a worthy cause in my book).

Having said that, an introduction to XPath is a good way of showing how to simply *extract* information from a TEI document (which is different from publishing a TEI document), so I'm not against that idea either -- it's a matter of what do we want to highlight: publishing or analysis.

Raff

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Elisa wrote:

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What if the proposal title for the afternoon session were, “How to Read and Navigate TEI Code with some Basic Processing” (that requires no installations beyond oXygen), that would fit what I am describing. If we want to try eXist-dB, I have an installation on a web server that I only use for training purposes—and the benefit is the view it provides of surveying a collection of files with simple XPath expressions. Thus, no challenging installation or debugging people’s setup is required— just aim your browser at the training database on the web.

If the database is stocked with an interesting variety of TEI—for linguistics, for manuscripts, some EpiDoc, etc, the XPath orientation becomes a way of surveying different models and varieties of TEI as well. If we place emphasis here on simply *learning to read* XML, this is mainly the goal of my proposal for the afternoon. This way the entire day is not on how to write code, and the second half it is not on learning just one way to publish it before you have learned the many ways you can view it. Reading the code with XPath leads readily to some basic transformations—produce a list of the linguistic phenomena you have marked; study someone else’s use of this attribute; notice how often this turns up inside that.

Does that sound better? I think we face a problem of perception of what is “introductory” that often keeps people fenced off from the perspective they need to continue independently after a workshop ends. This is a topic I care about because I see ADHO and “big tent” arenas of DH as the places where people form opinions about TEI and whether it is accessible or too much work for too little reward. It doesn’t take much to teach people how to read, in the same day on which they learn to write. I think the training may stand to accomplish more for the people who might come to learn from us.

Elisa

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> On Feb 13, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Elisa wrote: > > Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to output something useful). > > I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer. > > I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation provides. > > Elisa > > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Director, Center for the Digital Text > Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg > 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org > > Typeset by hand on my iPad > >> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? >> How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- mith-wednesday-may-31st/) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. >> If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory then). >> >> Best wishes, >> Martina >> >> >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 04:38 >> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >> >> PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate intensively on XPath preparations for example. >> >> On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll only write that up if others agree. >> >> Elisa >> -- >> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >> 150 Finoli Drive >> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something. >>> >>> Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed there. >>> >>> For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory processing” of TEI? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elisa >>> -- >>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>> 150 Finoli Drive >>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu >>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all (sorry for the delayed response), >>>> >>>> I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I might go >>>> regardless as I saved my research funds for it. >>>> >>>> Raff >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( >>>> martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very likely >>>>> that I go there. >>>>> Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I also >>>>> think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro >>>>> workshop. >>>>> >>>>> I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the proposal: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/ 1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_> >>>>> 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them. >>>>> >>>>> @Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a reason to >>>>> get funding? >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Martina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ >>>>> lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von James Cummings >>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 >>>>> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>>>> >>>>> I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more than >>>>> wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording hotel, but >>>>> I've started saving. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a talk or >>>>> being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with your >>>>> TEI questions" or something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk >>>>> >>>>> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle >>>>> University >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org >>>> tei-c.org> on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar >>>>> Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 >>>>> To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: >>>>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me wonder >>>>> if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we imagine an >>>>> introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and helps >>>>> people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? For >>>>> those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share >>>>> in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full proposal, >>>>> but I think some of us here have some material already to start with...? >>>>> >>>>> Elisa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebb8@pitt.edu > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me >>>>>> wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we >>>>>> imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of >>>>>> think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of us >>>>>> planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in >>>>>> common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full >>>>>> proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to >>>>> start with...? >>>>>> >>>>>> Elisa >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska < tuurma@gmail.com > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this gig, >>>>>>> and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much >>>>>>> where Hugh does >>>>>>> :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place where >>>>>>> it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Magdalena >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman < s.bauman@northeastern.edu> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will >>>>>>>> most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) 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I added a bunch of text to describe the workshop goals, and made reference to Gimena del Rio Riande’s keynote at TEI 2017. (Does it work/make sense?) I listed out Part 2, and made some edits in Part 1, just thinking about stuff that could go in basic training. It’s only 618 words right now. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_3oPm5AkwvDa... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_3oPm5AkwvDa... Thanks, Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/

On Feb 15, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) wrote:

Cool, let's try to pull this together! I can try to write something for the first part tomorrow (late) morning.

Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Februar 2018 20:18 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

I can try writing something hastily this evening to fill in some boxes—can anyone else take time between tonight and tomorrow to edit and submit this? Since I’m just volunteering for something in the afternoon, I’m just intending to fill in a piece of the proposal and not the whole.

I’m likely to be at the conference, and I think we should probably step up and offer something introductory for this location and this conference—it would be good for the TEI and our outreach.

Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>

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On Feb 15, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Magdalena Turska mailto:tuurma@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys,

unfortunately my reviews were pretty bad this year, so I do not expect my papers to be accepted. I had already decided not to go, so I'm not proposing an eXist-db workshop either. Maybe next time if it's a bit closer to Europe. Obviously I fully support exposing Mexico to the joys of existeering and TEI :-)

M

On 15 February 2018 at 19:47, Elisa Beshero-Bondar mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Hi all— The deadline for the ADHO 2018 workshop proposal is tomorrow, I think? I’m working on another deadline right now (everything converging at once). Are we going to try a sprint to put a proposal together in a day, or do you think we can beg the conference organizers for a little time so we can work out the writing when we’re together? I don’t think it’ll take us long, but I suspect we’re all pretty hard-pressed right now…

Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>

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On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>) mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote:

Elisa, thanks for your clarification, I now understand better what you are aiming at. Thanks for the slides! Martina

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.tei-c.org/ <http://lists.tei-c.org/ http://lists.tei-c.org/>> [mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org> mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org>>] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 17:02 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org>> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH?

Hugh— That’s a good point, and I think a good argument for working with eXist-db for a little XPath and a bit of processing, since it’s free to install. (Also easy to access with a network connection if you start with a web server.) —Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>> mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu>>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/> < http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>> <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/> <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/>>>

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Hugh Cayless mailto:philomousos@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd make the argument (and will if I can get my shit together to submit it as a TEI paper) that easy does not equal simple. But totally agree with Raff, terminology aside.

I'd say two things: first, whoever ends up doing this has the absolute right to design their own workshop! Second, I'm mindful of the keynote Gimena del Rio Rande gave in Victoria. Should we be thinking about pitching something aimed at doing TEI in a computing environment that's more constrained than most of us are used to? Where Oxygen is way too expensive to consider? I guess the real question is whether the attendees will be the usual suspects or whether we might pick up some TEI-interested local or regional students, and what are their needs likely to be?

Hugh

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Re: the STS workshop, Hugh and I showed how to do a simple TEI publication using CETEIcean, no coding involved besides copy-pasting a template or using a pre-made file, just TEI coding. Here are the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsx https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ugg7U3uhaUj6pPxps1buBEeufoPsx igB0CqMYMxEtNY/edit

I think this approach makes using TEI as simple as creating minimal editions (e.g. with markdown); an approach that, as Elisa identified, dangerously discredits the sophistication of TEI in favor of simplicity (reminding DH scholars that minimalism doesn't mean simplicity is always a worthy cause in my book).

Having said that, an introduction to XPath is a good way of showing how to simply *extract* information from a TEI document (which is different from publishing a TEI document), so I'm not against that idea either -- it's a matter of what do we want to highlight: publishing or analysis.

Raff

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Elisa mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote:

> What if the proposal title for the afternoon session were, “How to Read > and Navigate TEI Code with some Basic Processing” (that requires no > installations beyond oXygen), that would fit what I am describing. If we > want to try eXist-dB, I have an installation on a web server that I only > use for training purposes—and the benefit is the view it provides of > surveying a collection of files with simple XPath expressions. Thus, no > challenging installation or debugging people’s setup is required— just aim > your browser at the training database on the web. > > If the database is stocked with an interesting variety of TEI—for > linguistics, for manuscripts, some EpiDoc, etc, the XPath orientation > becomes a way of surveying different models and varieties of TEI as well. > If we place emphasis here on simply *learning to read* XML, this is mainly > the goal of my proposal for the afternoon. This way the entire day is not > on how to write code, and the second half it is not on learning just one > way to publish it before you have learned the many ways you can view it. > Reading the code with XPath leads readily to some basic > transformations—produce a list of the linguistic phenomena you have marked; > study someone else’s use of this attribute; notice how often this turns up > inside that. > > Does that sound better? I think we face a problem of perception of what is > “introductory” that often keeps people fenced off from the perspective they > need to continue independently after a workshop ends. This is a topic I > care about because I see ADHO and “big tent” arenas of DH as the places > where people form opinions about TEI and whether it is accessible or too > much work for too little reward. It doesn’t take much to teach people how > to read, in the same day on which they learn to write. I think the training > may stand to accomplish more for the people who might come to learn from us. > > Elisa > > > > > > > > > -- > Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD > Director, Center for the Digital Text > Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg > 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA > E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ > > Typeset by hand on my iPad > >> On Feb 13, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Elisa mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Martina— I was not proposing a full training in either XSLT or > XQuery, but rather an orientation to how to navigate TEI to locate data and > how you can use that for basic transformations. Think of it as a gateway to > learning more, with emphasis on XPath, and a little tangible output as a > reward at the end of the day (showing the application of the XPath to > output something useful). >> >> I do have experience with teaching a two-hour orientation to XPath, when > people in the room were not very clear on how to code XML. Those people had > a better understanding of how to work with it and how to read their own > code and others’ code to find out things about it—survey what kinds of > information is being marked, and even critique code on that basis. People > who are just learning TEI and XML and have only workshop time for learning > can gain skills quickly this way and become more serious adapters. Without > such orientation at the intro level, I think people become skeptical that > they have to use X tool or somebody else’s technology to publish an > edition, and are not aware of how to read their code and the many different > things they can learn from it with a little dose of XPath. I think that > dose of XPath helps people to see why the code fits together and gives them > ideas that may keep them involved with TEI longer. >> >> I do teach quite a lot of this to undergraduates in the context of a > semester course, so I have a lot of training experience and material. I > also adapt that material for short intro sessions. I realize the TEI is > enormous to learn, but I think people stand a better chance of continuing > with it if they are given the perspective that an XPath orientation > provides. >> >> Elisa >> >> -- >> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >> Director, Center for the Digital Text >> Associate Professor of English >> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg >> 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ >> >> Typeset by hand on my iPad >> >>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:10 AM, Scholger, Martina ( > martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at) mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I added some possible session topics to "part 1" (although I think this > would be enough for a full day workshop). Elisa, I understand that you (we) > want to teach participants as much as possible, but I thought of attendees > who possibly write their first angle brackets at this workshop and fear > that they will be overwhelmed with processing TEI by learning XSLT or > XQuery. I agree that it is important to talk about processing, but I cannot > see it work in a one day workshop. Or rather, I've never done that before > and therefore I am sceptical. Do you have other experiences? >>> How about giving a preview on how to process/publish TEI documents and > where to look next? Hugh mentioned a workshop (I guess it was this one: > http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- http://mith.umd.edu/register-one-free-workshops-hosted- > mith-wednesday-may-31st/) and I wonder if that would be a possible way to > show people how to move on, or, try out the TEI Publisher App, the TEI > Stylesheets, mention X-technologies, etc. >>> If you think that our participants are likely to be more advanced, we > could focus more on the processing (but I wouldn't call it introductory > then). >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Martina >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: tei-council-bounces@ > lists.tei-c.org http://lists.tei-c.org/] Im Auftrag von Elisa Beshero-Bondar >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 04:38 >>> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>> >>> PS: I think we’d have to do *either* a little introductory XSLT *or* a > little introductory XQuery…and I think I’d prefer the latter, since > eXist-db is a great way to get people up and running—a place to write and > test XPath expressions on a collection of TEI, and a place to begin working > on development from TEI. Does anyone (Magda?) know if eXist-db is offering > a workshop this year? We could perhaps piggy-back on that and concentrate > intensively on XPath preparations for example. >>> >>> On the other hand, a basic intro to XSLT with drilling in XPath could > complement an XQuery/eXist-db workshop. I’m torn, since I teach students > their first processing in both environments. Showing a basic identity > transformation in XSLT that adds line-numbers to a giant document might be > helpful in an introductory training scenario, as is a little > pull-processing in *either* environment… I think in a full-day workshop, we > ought to be sharing some basic training in processing with TEI, but I’ll > only write that up if others agree. >>> >>> Elisa >>> -- >>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English > University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>> 150 Finoli Drive >>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> Development site: > http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebbondar@gmail.com mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I visited the blank Google Doc, and I’m baffled about how to proceed. > If this is an introductory workshop, it probably shouldn’t be a “bring your > own questions about the TEI”: we should actually be teaching something. >>>> >>>> Here’s my suggestion: for a full day, maybe we want to break this into > two concentrated units. I think people who would be drawn to this, as > attendees of ADHO, have probably encountered TEI before—I’m not sure where > to begin. I’m aware from Elena Pierazzo’s talk last November that people’s > access to TEI orientation is limited in Latin America, and this is > something we should try to address. I suspect that each of us on Council > orients people to TEI in different ways, so I don’t know how to proceed > there. >>>> >>>> For the second half of the workshop, I’d like us to spend some time > orienting people to *processing* TEI, because there aren’t enough > opportunities for people to begin learning that. I am happy to volunteer as > much time as you like to XPath orientation, and I have material written up > about that. Where could that lead? I can imagine (and have taught) a basic > introduction to XSLT following from XPath, and could imagine something in > two hours. I can also imagine training people to play with XPath > expressions in XQuery with eXist-db and move from that into simple HTML > outputs of charts, lists, etc. I’d really like to do this kind of teaching > in the second half of the workshop. Is that okay with people—and can we > still pitch this as “introductory”—in the sense of “introductory > processing” of TEI? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Elisa >>>> -- >>>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English >>>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>>> 150 Finoli Drive >>>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> >>>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ <http://newtfire.org/ http://newtfire.org/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < > raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com mailto:raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all (sorry for the delayed response), >>>>> >>>>> I'm also waiting to hear back about my submissions, but I think I > might go >>>>> regardless as I saved my research funds for it. >>>>> >>>>> Raff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Scholger, Martina ( >>>>> martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at ) < > martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at mailto:martina.scholger@uni-graz.at>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> Great to hear that there is so much interest in this! It's very > likely >>>>>> that I go there. >>>>>> Could we agree to do a full-day introductory workshop in Mexico? I > also >>>>>> think that this would be a good opportunity/place for doing an intro >>>>>> workshop. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have created a Google Doc (sorry, no content yet) for the > proposal: >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/ https://docs.google.com/document/d/ 1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ < > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d41jLLpUXltS8WbVIGRd4NVlm3su_> >>>>>> 3oPm5AkwvDaAwc/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>> If you have any text blocks at hand, please add them. >>>>>> >>>>>> @Magda & Hugh: if the workshop gets accepted, wouldn't that be a > reason to >>>>>> get funding? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> Martina >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>> Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto: > tei-council-bounces@ >>>>>> lists.tei-c.org http://lists.tei-c.org/] Im Auftrag von James Cummings >>>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2018 23:04 >>>>>> An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>>>>> >>>>>> I may be going (depends if paper accepted). The flight alone more > than >>>>>> wipes out my research fund so I don't know how I'll be affording > hotel, but >>>>>> I've started saving. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd happily contribute to a TEI one-day workshop, either giving a > talk or >>>>>> being a TEI expert for some sort of consultation surgery "come with > your >>>>>> TEI questions" or something. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> School of English Literature, Language, and Linguistics, Newcastle >>>>>> University >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org > >>>>> tei-c.org http://tei-c.org/> on behalf of Elisa Beshero-Bondar mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> >>>>>> Sent: 11 February 2018 19:43:19 >>>>>> To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [tei-council] TEI Council @ DH? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I was typing too fast...let me just resend this: >>>>>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me > wonder >>>>>> if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we > imagine an >>>>>> introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of LOD, and > helps >>>>>> people to think about how to design a project for the semantic web? > For >>>>>> those of us planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we > share >>>>>> in common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full > proposal, >>>>>> but I think some of us here have some material already to start > with...? >>>>>> >>>>>> Elisa >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar < ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The discussion of TEI and LOD this morning on the TEI-list makes me >>>>>>> wonder if that might be a good topic for the ADHO conference? Can we >>>>>>> imagine an introductory TEI workshop that incorporates discussion of >>>>>>> think about and design a project for the semantic web? For those of > us >>>>>>> planning to attend, is this a good topic and interest we share in >>>>>>> common? I'm not sure I have time this week to pound out a full >>>>>>> proposal, but I think some of us here have some material already to >>>>>> start with...? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elisa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Magdalena Turska < tuurma@gmail.com mailto:tuurma@gmail.com >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I will not be going, had mixed feelings about this > gig, >>>>>>>> and with rather poor reviews for my submissions I stand pretty much >>>>>>>> where Hugh does >>>>>>>> :-) Fully support doing some outreach, in particular in a place > where >>>>>>>> it is not as easy to find any TEI workshop as, say, Europe or US. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Magdalena >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11 February 2018 at 01:21, Syd Bauman < > s.bauman@northeastern.edu mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is not a given, but very likely I will go. (My daughter will >>>>>>>>> most likely be living in Mexico City this summer.) Happy to teach >>>>>>>>> standard WWP workshop or almost anything else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>>>>>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of > English >>>>>>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>>>>>> 150 Finoli Drive >>>>>>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>>>>>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> >>>>>>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD >>>>>> Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of > English >>>>>> University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division >>>>>> 150 Finoli Drive >>>>>> Greensburg, PA 15601 USA >>>>>> E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> >>>>>> Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>> >>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>> -- >>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>> >>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>> -- >>>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>>> >>>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> tei-council mailing list >>>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org> >>>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>>> >>>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> tei-council mailing list >>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > -- > tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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