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Hugh Cayless

9 Oct 2015 9 Oct '15

1:57 p.m.

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Hugh Cayless

9 Oct 9 Oct

5:14 p.m.

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

Lou Burnard

5:22 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Um, I am not sure what the question is. Assuming that when you say "drop" you don't mean "drop" but rather "release", then my vote is "yes". Who are the release technicians? On 09/10/15 16:14, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

Hugh Cayless

5:34 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Any and all Council members who are available. Given the date and time, I'm somewhat inclined to wait until next week. I've never liked releasing things on Fridays. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

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Um, I am not sure what the question is. Assuming that when you say "drop" you don't mean "drop" but rather "release", then my vote is "yes". Who are the release technicians?

On 09/10/15 16:14, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Martin Holmes

5:39 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

I'll be on vacation from this weekend, and not much around. When I am around, I'll be in Europe, though. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 08:34 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Any and all Council members who are available. Given the date and time, I'm somewhat inclined to wait until next week. I've never liked releasing things on Fridays.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

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Um, I am not sure what the question is. Assuming that when you say "drop" you don't mean "drop" but rather "release", then my vote is "yes". Who are the release technicians?

On 09/10/15 16:14, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Martin Holmes

5:38 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too. In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

Lou Burnard

5:42 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

On 09/10/15 16:38, Martin Holmes wrote:

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. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

That's true, but we agreed that the pure odd changes should not get into this release, so this shouldn't be an issue.

Syd Bauman

6:08 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

I'm around and willing to be helpful, but don't know squat about releasing the stylesheets.

Hugh Cayless

6:46 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Hugh Cayless

9:52 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Martin Holmes

10:39 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Peter Stadler

10:47 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow. Best Peter Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

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Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
May I take the silence as assent?

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do we need further discussion?

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Martin Holmes

10:50 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

I just tried it myself and got a 401 from the script. I'm investigating further. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

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Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

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On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless > wrote: > > I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do > we need further discussion? >

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Martin Holmes

10:53 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Got it -- bug in the configuration file. Wrong port. Fixing now. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

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Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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May I take the silence as assent?

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless > wrote: > > I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do > we need further discussion? >

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Martin Holmes

10:59 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

No, that wasn't it; still investigating. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 01:53 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Got it -- bug in the configuration file. Wrong port. Fixing now.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

...
Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes wrote:

OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our release procedures to handle them; we've always left that completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless we do the Stylesheets too.

In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote: > May I take the silence as assent? > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless >> wrote: >> >> I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do >> we need further discussion? >> > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Martin Holmes

11:11 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

I think the problem is caused by the fact that there's a problem character in the pw for eXist in the config file, which causes the script to stop reading it half-way through. I'm trying to figure out a way to escape it. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 01:59 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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No, that wasn't it; still investigating.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:53 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Got it -- bug in the configuration file. Wrong port. Fixing now.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

...
Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes > wrote: > > OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. > I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do > about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our > release procedures to handle them; we've always left that > completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there > are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the > Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless > we do the Stylesheets too. > > In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the > Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run > all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the > Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything. > > Cheers, Martin > > On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote: >> May I take the silence as assent? >> >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless >>> wrote: >>> >>> I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do >>> we need further discussion? >>> >> > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Martin Holmes

11:17 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Nailed it. Roma is using 2.9.0 now. Cheers, Martin On 15-10-09 01:59 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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No, that wasn't it; still investigating.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:53 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Got it -- bug in the configuration file. Wrong port. Fixing now.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

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Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

...
On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything!

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes > wrote: > > OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. > I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do > about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our > release procedures to handle them; we've always left that > completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there > are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the > Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless > we do the Stylesheets too. > > In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the > Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run > all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the > Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything. > > Cheers, Martin > > On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote: >> May I take the silence as assent? >> >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless >>> wrote: >>> >>> I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do >>> we need further discussion? >>> >> > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived

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Lou Burnard

11:19 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Release? Bis

Hmm. My innocuous removal of the P4 option from the stylesheets seems to have upset Messrs Jenkins. I think any change to the Stylshts would have triggered the problem tho, from a quick look at the parsed console output. On 09/10/15 22:17, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Nailed it. Roma is using 2.9.0 now.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:59 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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No, that wasn't it; still investigating.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:53 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Got it -- bug in the configuration file. Wrong port. Fixing now.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 01:47 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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Sorry, don't know what's going wrong exactly but I configured the exist-update-script to pick up the credentials from ~/etc/tei-exist.conf on the tei server. Sorry, I won't be around longer but will look back tommorrow.

Best Peter

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:39 schrieb Martin Holmes:

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Peter should know about the eXist thing -- he configured the authentication for it at one of the ftf meetings. Until that's done, Roma is using the old data.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-10-09 12:52 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Release is on the site, but step #8 (eXist reload) isn’t running. Skipping it for now and proceeding.

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:46 , Hugh Cayless > wrote: > > I guess I’ll do it then. Nobody touch anything! > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:38 , Martin Holmes >> wrote: >> >> OK to go from me, but I'm only available for a few hours. >> I'd suggest we go very cautiously. What did we decide to do >> about the Stylesheets? There's absolutely nothing in our >> release procedures to handle them; we've always left that >> completely up to Sebastian. As far as I understand it, there >> are changes in Pure ODD that require a new release of the >> Stylesheets to work, so there's no point in doing P5 unless >> we do the Stylesheets too. >> >> In fact, perhaps it would make more sense to release the >> Stylesheets first. Before doing that, we should of course run >> all the P5 tests in the _current release_ of P5 against the >> Stylesheets trunk, to make sure we're not breaking anything. >> >> Cheers, Martin >> >> On 15-10-09 08:14 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote: >>> May I take the silence as assent? >>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:57 , Hugh Cayless >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I backed out @scope last night. Can we drop 2.9.0, or do >>>> we need further discussion? >>>> >>> >> -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >

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