Doesn't Maven still use Ant for the "script-ish" parts of building projects? I mainly use it for dependency resolution and compiling, so my view may be a bit narrow... On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for working on this - I realize I'm making this suggestion very late at this point, but I've noticed a lot of Java projects using maven instead of ANT for building these days. Is it worth looking into it? (Converting from ANT to Maven *should* be simple)

Raff

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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HI Peter,

Bravo for this. The PDF stuff eventually should be XSL:FO with FOP, I think, because none of us now understand LateX; but I think it should all be doable using <exec> in ant; it'll have to branch depending on OS. Alternatively, you should shell out from ant to a small using <exec> Makefile as a temporary measure.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-09-24 02:31 AM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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Dear all,

just an update on my work of antifying the build process of the Guidelines: * I more or less simply try to convert the current Makefile targets to ANT targets * I’m collecting all settings (params) in a build.properties file which can be overwritten by a local.build.properties file (which is excluded from version control) * during the build process, I’m creating a "build" folder for temporary stuff (currently, everything ends here). I envision to have a clean „dist“ folder in the end, where the to-be-distributed files are summoned, together with zipped archives. * so far I can create the Guidelines (Makefile target „teiwebsiteguidelines“) with all dependencies * leaves the hard stuff: PDF (via LaTeX) and various Tests …

Best Peter

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Admittedly I've only created a simple cocoon project with maven, but I've installed and used a number of projects with it. My limited understanding is that maven imposes a common project structure and makes it simple to manage dependencies. This SO answer seems helpful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/603189/differences-between-ant-and-maven#... On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Stadler wrote:

Yes, I’ve heard rumors about it ;) Honestly, I took just a quick glance and it looked too complicated for me at that time. But you’re right, we should at least have some sort of analysis/discussion of/about our build tool(s).

So, can anyone comment on maven and whether it’d suit us better?

Best Peter

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Am 24.09.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com>:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for working on this - I realize I'm making this suggestion very late at this point, but I've noticed a lot of Java projects using maven instead of ANT for building these days. Is it worth looking into it? (Converting from ANT to Maven *should* be simple)

Raff

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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HI Peter,

Bravo for this. The PDF stuff eventually should be XSL:FO with FOP, I think, because none of us now understand LateX; but I think it should all be doable using <exec> in ant; it'll have to branch depending on OS. Alternatively, you should shell out from ant to a small using <exec> Makefile as a temporary measure.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-09-24 02:31 AM, Peter Stadler wrote:

...

Dear all,

just an update on my work of antifying the build process of the Guidelines: * I more or less simply try to convert the current Makefile targets to ANT targets * I’m collecting all settings (params) in a build.properties file which can be overwritten by a local.build.properties file (which is excluded from version control) * during the build process, I’m creating a "build" folder for temporary stuff (currently, everything ends here). I envision to have a clean „dist“ folder in the end, where the to-be-distributed files are summoned, together with zipped archives. * so far I can create the Guidelines (Makefile target „teiwebsiteguidelines“) with all dependencies * leaves the hard stuff: PDF (via LaTeX) and various Tests …

Best Peter

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As we said during the call, if we were building Java code, I would agree with using Maven. But we're not; we're not actually compiling anything, just running a lot of transforms, copies, validations and so on. So I think ant is all we need. The great unknown is whether the LateX stuff can ever be run on a Windows platform. But at least with ant, we can detect the platform and only run the LateX stuff if it's *NIX. Cheers, Martin On 15-09-24 08:23 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I use Maven all the time for Java projects, and it vastly simplifies things—all you have to do is set up a relatively small POM file in a common directory structure and Maven does everything for you. It gets more complicated when you have to do things that aren't quite so conventional.

Maven is utterly evil. But Java library dependency resolution is also completely evil, so you're sort of setting Darth Vader to fight a balrog. And I'm totally ok with that.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Admittedly I've only created a simple cocoon project with maven, but I've installed and used a number of projects with it.

My limited understanding is that maven imposes a common project structure and makes it simple to manage dependencies. This SO answer seems helpful:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/603189/differences-between-ant-and-maven#...

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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Yes, I’ve heard rumors about it ;) Honestly, I took just a quick glance and it looked too complicated for me at that time. But you’re right, we should at least have some sort of analysis/discussion of/about our build tool(s).

So, can anyone comment on maven and whether it’d suit us better?

Best Peter

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Am 24.09.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com>:

Hi Peter,

Thanks for working on this - I realize I'm making this suggestion very late at this point, but I've noticed a lot of Java projects using maven instead of ANT for building these days. Is it worth looking into it? (Converting from ANT to Maven *should* be simple)

Raff

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:

...

HI Peter,

Bravo for this. The PDF stuff eventually should be XSL:FO with FOP, I think, because none of us now understand LateX; but I think it should all be doable using <exec> in ant; it'll have to branch depending on OS. Alternatively, you should shell out from ant to a small using <exec> Makefile as a temporary measure.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-09-24 02:31 AM, Peter Stadler wrote:

...

Dear all,

just an update on my work of antifying the build process of the Guidelines: * I more or less simply try to convert the current Makefile targets to ANT targets * I’m collecting all settings (params) in a build.properties file which can be overwritten by a local.build.properties file (which is excluded from version control) * during the build process, I’m creating a "build" folder for temporary stuff (currently, everything ends here). I envision to have a clean „dist“ folder in the end, where the to-be-distributed files are summoned, together with zipped archives. * so far I can create the Guidelines (Makefile target „teiwebsiteguidelines“) with all dependencies * leaves the hard stuff: PDF (via LaTeX) and various Tests …

Best Peter

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