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Hugh Cayless

25 May 2015 25 May '15

12:50 p.m.

Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it? Thanks, Hugh

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Martin Holmes

25 May 25 May

1 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use: bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng. teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is. Cheers, Martin On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

Raffaele Viglianti

1:05 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

I have a follow up question: how can I generate the *guidelines* of a customization? ie whatever I put in <body>? I know that ./teitohtml --odd custom.odd will do a decent job, but it also includes all of the schemaspec in massive tables. Is there a parameter I'm missing, or should I be using a different script altogether? Raff On May 25, 2015 4:00 PM, "Martin Holmes" wrote:

...

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Peter Stadler

1:17 p.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That bothered me as well. The only solution I found was to temporarily comment out the schemaSpec (from the source ODD). Best Peter Am 25.05.2015 um 22:05 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti:

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I have a follow up question: how can I generate the *guidelines* of a customization? ie whatever I put in <body>?

I know that ./teitohtml --odd custom.odd will do a decent job, but it also includes all of the schemaspec in massive tables. Is there a parameter I'm missing, or should I be using a different script altogether?

Raff On May 25, 2015 4:00 PM, "Martin Holmes" wrote:

...
I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Martin Holmes

3:32 p.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

Would it ever make sense to do that? You'd have a lot of links in your Guidelines to specs that didn't exist. I think if you were going to do this, you'd probably want to pre-process your ODD source, not only to delete the schemaSpec, but also to replace <gi>s and <att>s and things that would result in broken links. Cheers, Martin On 15-05-25 01:17 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

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That bothered me as well. The only solution I found was to temporarily comment out the schemaSpec (from the source ODD).

Best Peter

Am 25.05.2015 um 22:05 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti:

...
I have a follow up question: how can I generate the *guidelines* of a customization? ie whatever I put in <body>?

I know that ./teitohtml --odd custom.odd will do a decent job, but it also includes all of the schemaspec in massive tables. Is there a parameter I'm missing, or should I be using a different script altogether?

Raff On May 25, 2015 4:00 PM, "Martin Holmes" wrote:

...
I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Raffaele Viglianti

26 May 26 May

6:58 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

What if I wanted to generate guidelines similarly to the official guidelines? ie one HTML per chapter + separated pages for the schemaSpec? What is the main process that takes care of that? Can it be customized to be used with my customization's guidelines? Raff On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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Would it ever make sense to do that? You'd have a lot of links in your Guidelines to specs that didn't exist. I think if you were going to do this, you'd probably want to pre-process your ODD source, not only to delete the schemaSpec, but also to replace <gi>s and <att>s and things that would result in broken links.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 01:17 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

...
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That bothered me as well. The only solution I found was to temporarily comment out the schemaSpec (from the source ODD).

Best Peter

Am 25.05.2015 um 22:05 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti:

...
I have a follow up question: how can I generate the *guidelines* of a customization? ie whatever I put in <body>?

I know that ./teitohtml --odd custom.odd will do a decent job, but it also includes all of the schemaspec in massive tables. Is there a parameter I'm missing, or should I be using a different script altogether?

Raff On May 25, 2015 4:00 PM, "Martin Holmes" wrote:

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

...
bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the

...
Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Hugh Cayless

9:41 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

If you wanted to do something like what EpiDoc does, but without having to totally roll your own Guidelines, I could see this being useful. It wouldn’t work for the prose at all unless you edited your own version, but I could see it for the reference parts.

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On May 26, 2015, at 9:58 , Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

What if I wanted to generate guidelines similarly to the official guidelines? ie one HTML per chapter + separated pages for the schemaSpec? What is the main process that takes care of that? Can it be customized to be used with my customization's guidelines?

Raff

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

...
Would it ever make sense to do that? You'd have a lot of links in your Guidelines to specs that didn't exist. I think if you were going to do this, you'd probably want to pre-process your ODD source, not only to delete the schemaSpec, but also to replace <gi>s and <att>s and things that would result in broken links.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 01:17 PM, Peter Stadler wrote:

...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

That bothered me as well. The only solution I found was to temporarily comment out the schemaSpec (from the source ODD).

Best Peter

Am 25.05.2015 um 22:05 schrieb Raffaele Viglianti:

...
I have a follow up question: how can I generate the *guidelines* of a customization? ie whatever I put in <body>?

I know that ./teitohtml --odd custom.odd will do a decent job, but it also includes all of the schemaspec in massive tables. Is there a parameter I'm missing, or should I be using a different script altogether?

Raff On May 25, 2015 4:00 PM, "Martin Holmes" wrote:

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

...
bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the

...
Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Hugh Cayless

6:03 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

Mr. Rahtz is a very clever chap indeed. I think though, that the Github Stylesheets repo needs some documentation on how to use this stuff. I suggest we either greatly expand the README.md or add a new USAGE.md document linked from it. The README should explain what’s there and how to use it.

...

On May 25, 2015, at 16:00 , Martin Holmes wrote:

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Kevin Hawkins

6:14 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

Some documentation on all of this gets created by the build process and copied to http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-xsl/ . But I agree that it's hard to understand. I've started documenting a few points at http://wiki.tei-c.org/index.php/Tei-xsl#Documentation , but moving into a .md file, where people would expect to find it, is the way to go. --Kevin On 5/26/15 8:03 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Mr. Rahtz is a very clever chap indeed. I think though, that the Github Stylesheets repo needs some documentation on how to use this stuff. I suggest we either greatly expand the README.md or add a new USAGE.md document linked from it. The README should explain what’s there and how to use it.

...
On May 25, 2015, at 16:00 , Martin Holmes wrote:

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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Paul Schaffner

6:24 a.m.

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Paul Schaffner

6:29 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] May F2F. Payment change

Sorry to say that after running all the hoops in both directions, I finally determined that the only way to obtain the preferential hotel rates quoted was for the University to pay the hotel on a purchase order as a lump sum, and then be in turn reimbursed by the TEI. So that is what we will do. I.e., those who wished to pay their own hotel bill won't be able to. In fact, no indvidual person should pay anything. I should point out that this covers only the things that the University is prepared by policy to pay for, i.e. room rate, breakfast if included (which it is), ordinary fees and taxes. No meals charged to the room, room service, etc. pfs -- Paul Schaffner Digital Library Production Service PFSchaffner@umich.edu | http://www.umich.edu/~pfs/

Martin Holmes

8:03 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] May F2F. Payment change

Thanks Paul. I'm sure that makes your life more complicated, but ours simpler. :-) Cheers, Martin On 15-05-26 06:29 AM, Paul Schaffner wrote:

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Sorry to say that after running all the hoops in both directions, I finally determined that the only way to obtain the preferential hotel rates quoted was for the University to pay the hotel on a purchase order as a lump sum, and then be in turn reimbursed by the TEI. So that is what we will do. I.e., those who wished to pay their own hotel bill won't be able to. In fact, no indvidual person should pay anything.

I should point out that this covers only the things that the University is prepared by policy to pay for, i.e. room rate, breakfast if included (which it is), ordinary fees and taxes. No meals charged to the room, room service, etc.

pfs

Martin Holmes

8:01 a.m.

New subject: [tei-council] Building (e.g. TEI All schema)

There is some documentation, actually. To build it you need to run make doc in the Stylesheets directory; then you'll find index.xml in the Documentation folder. If you then run teitohtml Documentation/index.xml, you'll get index.xml.html, which is a pretty good piece of documentation. There's probably a better way to do this, but I don't really know what it is. Cheers, Martin On 15-05-26 06:03 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Mr. Rahtz is a very clever chap indeed. I think though, that the Github Stylesheets repo needs some documentation on how to use this stuff. I suggest we either greatly expand the README.md or add a new USAGE.md document linked from it. The README should explain what’s there and how to use it.

...
On May 25, 2015, at 16:00 , Martin Holmes wrote:

I've you're on a NIX*-y machine, you should be able to use:

bin/teitorelaxng tei_all.odd

and get something called tei_all.odd.relaxng.

teitorelaxng is just a symlink to transformtei, which supplies (through its own name) the required parameters. Very clever indeed, Mr Rahtz is.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-05-25 12:50 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

...
Can someone explain to me like I’m an idiot how to use the Stylesheets to generate, say, a TEI All schema using the Guidelines specs? I’m afraid the documentation doesn’t give me enough to go on. I thought I understood it, but I don’t. My understanding is that you use the transformtei script, but what inputs do you give it?

Thanks, Hugh

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