Ok - looks like I spoke too soon. MITH is hosting a conference the following week and our staff will be flailing around getting things ready. So College Park is not an option this time around, apologies! Raff On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Hugh, travel to Europe would turn my if-need-be into no for April 27-29. I'm away the weekend before and won't be back in DC until Sunday 26. That should give me enough time to get somewhere in the US by Sunday evening, but not to Europe.

The offer for College Park still stands. MITH https://www.facilities.umd.edu/Style%20Library/Images/cmp/mith/mithl1.jpg is a lovely and well equipped space where to work. College Park may not the nicest place to visit, but DC is a mere 15 minute train ride away.

Raff

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

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Hi Hugh and all, that week is in general ok for me. I will be at Brown University on April 17-18 for a workshop so I could decide to remain in US the following week, and then join the Council meeting. Obviously this make sense (especially for economic reasons) if the meeting will be and the start of the week, that is why I prefer 27-29.

Fabio

...

Looks like we have (sort of) a winner: the week of April 27–May 1. Raffaele marked "if need be" for the 27th–29th and Lou and Fabio for the 29th–May 1. How much of a problem are those conflicts? In particular, would

2015-02-02 14:19 GMT+01:00 Hugh Cayless : travel to the US or Europe make them impossible?

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If I’m not mistaken, these are the offers to host we’ve had so far:

## US Boston (Syd) College Park (Raffaele) Ann Arbour (Paul)

## Canada Victoria (Martin)

## Europe Mainz (Peter) Estonia (maybe…)

Is that correct? Other takers or ideas?

Hugh

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I’m tempted to offer Durham again just so I don’t have to travel ;-). Not sure I could manage the same service level as last time though. We could meet Sunday–Tuesday (though obviously not Raffaele that week) or Thursday–Saturday as far as I’m concerned. Either the North Americans or the Europeans will have to do Saturday night stays wherever we end up. For me, Boston looks like about $260-$300, vs. $1250-ish minimum for Frankfurt. If it’s Frankfurt though, Raffaele can’t do the early part of the week. You indicated "if need be" for the latter part, Lou. How contingent is that? I can certainly ask the Board for budgetary guidance, though James may already have some insight there?

On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:08 , Lou Burnard wrote:

So, if the choice is between Boston and Frankfurt (either of which would suit me fine, from most points of view), just for the record, a quick check shows that the cheapest return flights between Rome, Frankfurt or London and Boston during that week seem to range from 400 to 600 pounds (but at least double that if there's no saturday night stay involved) versus around 120 pounds for a flight London - Frankfurt.

Maybe we should ask the Board for guidance on whether to prefer political niceness over economic interest?

On 02/02/15 15:22, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

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Ok - looks like I spoke too soon. MITH is hosting a conference the following week and our staff will be flailing around getting things ready. So College Park is not an option this time around, apologies!

Raff

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Hugh, travel to Europe would turn my if-need-be into no for April 27-29. I'm away the weekend before and won't be back in DC until Sunday 26. That should give me enough time to get somewhere in the US by Sunday evening, but not to Europe.

The offer for College Park still stands. MITH https://www.facilities.umd.edu/Style%20Library/Images/cmp/mith/mithl1.jpg is a lovely and well equipped space where to work. College Park may not the nicest place to visit, but DC is a mere 15 minute train ride away.

Raff

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

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Hi Hugh and all, that week is in general ok for me. I will be at Brown University on April 17-18 for a workshop so I could decide to remain in US the following week, and then join the Council meeting. Obviously this make sense (especially for economic reasons) if the meeting will be and the start of the week, that is why I prefer 27-29.

Fabio

...

Looks like we have (sort of) a winner: the week of April 27–May 1. Raffaele marked "if need be" for the 27th–29th and Lou and Fabio for the 29th–May 1. How much of a problem are those conflicts? In particular, would

2015-02-02 14:19 GMT+01:00 Hugh Cayless : travel to the US or Europe make them impossible?

...

If I’m not mistaken, these are the offers to host we’ve had so far:

## US Boston (Syd) College Park (Raffaele) Ann Arbour (Paul)

## Canada Victoria (Martin)

## Europe Mainz (Peter) Estonia (maybe…)

Is that correct? Other takers or ideas?

Hugh

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I am now planning to be in my french country hideout from mid april onwards so i don't have a strong preference about which end of the week it is ... It will be equally disruptive either way ! Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: Hugh Cayless Date:02/02/2015 16:30 (GMT+00:00) To: TEI Council Subject: Re: [tei-council] F2F poll results Also, Fabio will already be in the US in the early part of the week, so that’s one fewer crossing the Atlantic. Airfare-wise it probably all comes out even then.

On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:25 , Hugh Cayless wrote:

I’m tempted to offer Durham again just so I don’t have to travel ;-). Not sure I could manage the same service level as last time though. We could meet Sunday–Tuesday (though obviously not Raffaele that week) or Thursday–Saturday as far as I’m concerned. Either the North Americans or the Europeans will have to do Saturday night stays wherever we end up.

For me, Boston looks like about $260-$300, vs. $1250-ish minimum for Frankfurt.

If it’s Frankfurt though, Raffaele can’t do the early part of the week. You indicated "if need be" for the latter part, Lou. How contingent is that?

I can certainly ask the Board for budgetary guidance, though James may already have some insight there?

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On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:08 , Lou Burnard wrote:

So, if the choice is between Boston and Frankfurt (either of which would suit me fine, from most points of view), just for the record, a quick check shows that the cheapest return flights between Rome, Frankfurt or London and Boston during that week seem to range from 400 to 600 pounds (but at least double that if there's no saturday night stay involved) versus around 120 pounds for a flight London - Frankfurt.

Maybe we should ask the Board for guidance on whether to prefer political niceness over economic interest?

On 02/02/15 15:22, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

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Ok - looks like I spoke too soon. MITH is hosting a conference the following week and our staff will be flailing around getting things ready. So College Park is not an option this time around, apologies!

Raff

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Hugh, travel to Europe would turn my if-need-be into no for April 27-29. I'm away the weekend before and won't be back in DC until Sunday 26. That should give me enough time to get somewhere in the US by Sunday evening, but not to Europe.

The offer for College Park still stands. MITH https://www.facilities.umd.edu/Style%20Library/Images/cmp/mith/mithl1.jpg is a lovely and well equipped space where to work. College Park may not the nicest place to visit, but DC is a mere 15 minute train ride away.

Raff

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

...

Hi Hugh and all, that week is in general ok for me. I will be at Brown University on April 17-18 for a workshop so I could decide to remain in US the following week, and then join the Council meeting. Obviously this make sense (especially for economic reasons) if the meeting will be and the start of the week, that is why I prefer 27-29.

Fabio

...

Looks like we have (sort of) a winner: the week of April 27–May 1. Raffaele marked "if need be" for the 27th–29th and Lou and Fabio for the 29th–May 1. How much of a problem are those conflicts? In particular, would

2015-02-02 14:19 GMT+01:00 Hugh Cayless : travel to the US or Europe make them impossible?

...

If I’m not mistaken, these are the offers to host we’ve had so far:

## US Boston (Syd) College Park (Raffaele) Ann Arbour (Paul)

## Canada Victoria (Martin)

## Europe Mainz (Peter) Estonia (maybe…)

Is that correct? Other takers or ideas?

Hugh

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On 02/02/15 16:33, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

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Maybe we should ask the Board for guidance on whether to prefer political niceness over economic interest? Agree, we should think to a sort of organizational policy document. In the end deciding to have a meeting in US and another in EU is a political choice.

You can ask but in the end I think it is up to us. Budget-wise the Council has been extremely cost-effective over the last few years (with lots of institution contributions covering flights and such). We should spend members money in the most cost-effective manner possible -- but clearly sometimes having the political representation of the TEI in certain places is good. I don't think we really need to ask teh Board really, as with only a light hand on the tiller in previous years we've managed to stay fairly limited in our budget needs. All members should simply take any possibility of cost reduction through institutional in-kind contribution that is available. The whole discussion of location started with the premise that we were going to have one of the meetings alongside the TEI Conference/Members Meeting in Lyon. Therefore, we're going to be in Europe once already and making two transatlantic flights (for NA members) may be difficult for various reasons. If we assume that there will be some savings with institutions covering some members travel to the TEI Conference, then the argument from fiscal responsibility is demanding. I support the suggestion that we start coupling the Council Meeting to be (if possible) before the TEI Conference. I would propose as a policy that (while members are fairly evenly split between Europe and NA) we have one meeting per year in NA and one in Europe. Given the TEI Conference is peripatetic usually alternating between Europe and NA, then the spring meeting would usually be in the _other_ place. This means that for one meeting half the council is travelling further than the other half. Best, -James -- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford

I don't care a bit. I suspect the practicalities of any particular occasion/location will outweigh the politics. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

On 15-02-02 08:33 AM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

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Maybe we should ask the Board for guidance on whether to prefer political

...

niceness over economic interest?

Agree, we should think to a sort of organizational policy document. In the end deciding to have a meeting in US and another in EU is a political choice.

It may be a political choice for Council, rather than the Board or the community as a whole, though. If none of the North American Council members would be hurt or put out by having two meetings in Europe, then it seems to me that it's no issue; it's not the same as the Members Meeting.

I don't care myself. Does anyone else in NA care?

Cheers, Martin

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Seems like we're leaning towards April 27–29 somewhere in North America then? Let's block those dates. Then we can work out location. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't care from a political perspective, but it seems fair to alternate like James has suggested. I certainly wouldn't mind having to do a trip less across the ocean, also considering that I'll be back in Europe at the end of May for a conference. So my motivations this time are ultimately self-centered :)

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I don't care a bit. I suspect the practicalities of any particular occasion/location will outweigh the politics.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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On 15-02-02 08:33 AM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

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Maybe we should ask the Board for guidance on whether to prefer political

...

niceness over economic interest?

Agree, we should think to a sort of organizational policy document. In the end deciding to have a meeting in US and another in EU is a political choice.

It may be a political choice for Council, rather than the Board or the community as a whole, though. If none of the North American Council members would be hurt or put out by having two meetings in Europe, then it seems to me that it's no issue; it's not the same as the Members Meeting.

I don't care myself. Does anyone else in NA care?

Cheers, Martin

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Friday December 25 at 5.30 am? I think not. :-) On 15-02-03 05:21 PM, Syd Bauman wrote:

As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel.

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey. f 2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

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As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel.

Just to note: if i can fly back to UK on weds night then life would be easier for me. Otherwise thurs morning your time i might have to excuse myself and Skype into a meeting. James Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford (from phone) -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Cayless [philomousos@gmail.com] Received: Monday, 09 Feb 2015, 18:30 To: TEI Council [tei-council@lists.tei-c.org] Subject: Re: [tei-council] F2F poll results Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise. I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier? On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey.

f

2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

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I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

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As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel. -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Same here. Duke Apr 29 - May 1 or Apr 30 - May 2 both work for me. Raff On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if necessary.

Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

...

flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey.

f

2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

...

I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

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As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel.

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I'll still have my problem Thursday morning 2 hours or so missing for Skype. James Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford (from phone) -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Cayless [philomousos@gmail.com] Received: Monday, 09 Feb 2015, 19:06 To: TEI Council [tei-council@lists.tei-c.org] Subject: Re: [tei-council] F2F poll results My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if necessary.

Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

...

flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey.

f

2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

...

I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

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As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel.

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Yes, a meeting whose dates border on or include a saturday is a much better idea both economically and time-wise if it's at duke do we have to stay at that same hotel or can we stay somewhere a bit nearer to the campus? (assuming we're meeting on the campus) if the date slips to end of May I won't complain though. Might be worth extending the poll perhaps to see if we can get a slot convenient for all e.g. 21-23 may or 28-30 may? 25th may is a bank holiday in the uk fwiw On 09/02/15 18:15, Hugh Cayless wrote:

It's now that or no Stefan though. *Or* we attempt to schedule a later date. We don't want to wait too long, because rooms will get booked up.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM, James Cummings wrote:

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I'll still have my problem Thursday morning 2 hours or so missing for Skype.

James

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My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if necessary. Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

...

flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey.

f

2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

...

I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

> As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were > suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens > to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm > completely fine with that. > > If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider > asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel. > -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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For me moving the meeting at the end of may would be ok at a first glance (well 28 is my birthday but I don't think I would organize a party anyway...). f 2015-02-09 19:27 GMT+01:00 Raffaele Viglianti :

Re: Lou's suggestion: I'm in Florence for a conference 18-21 May and will probably be back in US by the 25th, which is a federal holiday in the US too (this reminds me I need to book flights...)

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

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Yes, a meeting whose dates border on or include a saturday is a much better idea both economically and time-wise

if it's at duke do we have to stay at that same hotel or can we stay somewhere a bit nearer to the campus? (assuming we're meeting on the campus)

if the date slips to end of May I won't complain though. Might be worth extending the poll perhaps to see if we can get a slot convenient for all e.g. 21-23 may or 28-30 may? 25th may is a bank holiday in the uk fwiw

On 09/02/15 18:15, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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It's now that or no Stefan though. *Or* we attempt to schedule a later date. We don't want to wait too long, because rooms will get booked up.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM, James Cummings < james.cummings@it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

I'll still have my problem Thursday morning 2 hours or so missing for

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My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if

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necessary.

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Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with

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April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti < fabio.ciotti@uniroma2.it wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

> flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need > some time to organize my journey. > > f > > 2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti : > > I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide >> for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and >> then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it >> doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems >> in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From >> the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share >> the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible >> with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than >> the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo >> Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize >> the thing, so please let's take a final decision. >> >> Fabio >> >> 2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman : >> >> As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were >>> suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it >>> happens >>> to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm >>> completely fine with that. >>> >>> If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider >>> asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel. >>> >>> -- >> > tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > > -- > tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Poll updated. You should be able to edit your previous entry. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I'll update the poll. May is a little worse for me in terms general busyness, but the end of May might be feasible.

Probably we can manage something closer this time. Basketball season will be over, and we won't be conflicting with graduation, so we should have an easier time with booking.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

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Yes, a meeting whose dates border on or include a saturday is a much better idea both economically and time-wise

if it's at duke do we have to stay at that same hotel or can we stay somewhere a bit nearer to the campus? (assuming we're meeting on the campus)

if the date slips to end of May I won't complain though. Might be worth extending the poll perhaps to see if we can get a slot convenient for all e.g. 21-23 may or 28-30 may? 25th may is a bank holiday in the uk fwiw

On 09/02/15 18:15, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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It's now that or no Stefan though. *Or* we attempt to schedule a later date. We don't want to wait too long, because rooms will get booked up.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM, James Cummings < james.cummings@it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

I'll still have my problem Thursday morning 2 hours or so missing for

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Skype.

James

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My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if

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necessary.

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Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with

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April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti < fabio.ciotti@uniroma2.it wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

> flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need > some time to organize my journey. > > f > > 2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti : > > I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide >> for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and >> then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston >> it >> doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems >> in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From >> the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to >> share >> the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible >> with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more >> than >> the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo >> Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize >> the thing, so please let's take a final decision. >> >> Fabio >> >> 2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman : >> >> As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone >>> were >>> suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it >>> happens >>> to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm >>> completely fine with that. >>> >>> If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider >>> asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my >>> travel. >>> >>> -- >> > tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > > -- > tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Here it is: http://doodle.com/2qzywq8c379atu87#table On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:37 PM, James Cummings wrote:

Can you send link again?

(On my phone in darkest Borås)

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Poll updated. You should be able to edit your previous entry.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I'll update the poll. May is a little worse for me in terms general busyness, but the end of May might be feasible.

Probably we can manage something closer this time. Basketball season will be over, and we won't be conflicting with graduation, so we should have an easier time with booking.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

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Yes, a meeting whose dates border on or include a saturday is a much better idea both economically and time-wise

if it's at duke do we have to stay at that same hotel or can we stay somewhere a bit nearer to the campus? (assuming we're meeting on the campus)

if the date slips to end of May I won't complain though. Might be worth extending the poll perhaps to see if we can get a slot convenient for all e.g. 21-23 may or 28-30 may? 25th may is a bank holiday in the uk fwiw

On 09/02/15 18:15, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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It's now that or no Stefan though. *Or* we attempt to schedule a later date. We don't want to wait too long, because rooms will get booked up.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM, James Cummings < james.cummings@it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

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Skype.

James

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My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if

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necessary.

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Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with > April > 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that > would > make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to > work > with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please > advise. > > I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it > at > Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier? > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti < > fabio.ciotti@uniroma2.it > wrote: > > Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the > >> flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need >> some time to organize my journey. >> >> f >> >> 2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti > >> I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide >>> for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and >>> then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston >>> it >>> doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big

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>>> in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From >>> the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to >>> share >>> the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is

I'll still have my problem Thursday morning 2 hours or so missing for problems possible

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>>> with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more >>> than >>> the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo >>> Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize >>> the thing, so please let's take a final decision. >>> >>> Fabio >>> >>> 2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman : >>> >>> As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone >>>> were >>>> suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it >>>> happens >>>> to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm >>>> completely fine with that. >>>> >>>> If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider >>>> asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my >>>> travel. >>>> >>>> -- >>> >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> >> -- >> > tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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FWIW, I think Duke is sub-optimal, mostly because Hugh should pay attention to being Chair, not local organizer. Boston (Northeastern University) is quite viable that late in the Spring, and I don't think anyone has asked Elli about Providence (Brown University) yet. (And wasn't Michigan offered?)

http://doodle.com/2qzywq8c379atu87g7b4bgvp/admin will work I think. Best I can do till I get back to a computer.

I can ask Elli (just had an email exchange with her) but if you can host us at NE University I think it is the better solution in the end f 2015-02-09 21:31 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

FWIW, I think Duke is sub-optimal, mostly because Hugh should pay attention to being Chair, not local organizer. Boston (Northeastern University) is quite viable that late in the Spring, and I don't think anyone has asked Elli about Providence (Brown University) yet. (And wasn't Michigan offered?)

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Yes, Boston is quite well served by public transit, although last I knew getting from the airport required you to take a bus to the subway station. Use http://mbta.com/, in particular http://mbta.com/rider_tools/trip_planner/, to figure out which bus & subways to take. One-way trip is < 2 GBP. But to be clear, *I'm* not offering to host. I live 1.5 hours away from campus, which would make playing local organizer difficult. Northeastern University (embodied in Patrick Yott and Julia Flanders, both friends of TEI) is offering to host. Most likely the manager of the WWP or the coordinator of the DSG would be the local organizer. (And they're great.) I'm not sure what, if anything, we could do for a "TEI Day" on such short notice, though. From some point of view, it would be better to hold the Spring 2016 meeting at Northeastern, and throw a small 1-day conference around it.

+1 from me -- Boston is easier to get to than Raleigh and I've never been there... And I see from Mr Google that it has a subway station!

So does "quite viable" mean you're definitely offering to host, Syd?

If it is May we're talking about then I'm available most of the month. Just need to be in the UK on the 15th and preferably the 28th (but again, could take 2 hours out in the morning and skype to the DHOxSS meeting I'd be chairing ;-)). -James On 09/02/15 22:29, Lou Burnard wrote:

On 09/02/15 21:22, Syd Bauman wrote:

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Yes, Boston is quite well served by public transit, although last I knew getting from the airport required you to take a bus to the subway station.

Ah, I remember the Boston transit system well. First place I ever visited in the US. "Take the blue line to Wonderland" they said, so I did.

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Am 10.02.2015 01:46, schrieb Hugh Cayless:

Would it make more sense to do it in Spring 2016 then? I agree with Syd that hosting and serving as chair will be a pain, but if it means not getting on yet another plane, I’m totally willing to do it:-). Hosting isn’t*that* much of a pain. My travel schedule out through August is getting close to my saturation point.

If travel is the issue and more people have issues to get to the US than the other way round I may ask whether we could host this. talking about the amount of pain that is involved, what is actually involved? A room for ~10p should be possible to get here at Austrian National Library. cheers, Stefan -- Mag. Stefan Majewski Projektmanager Abteilung Forschung und Entwicklung Österreichische Nationalbibliothek Josefsplatz 1, 1015 Wien Tel.: (+43 1) 534 10-434 E-Mail: stefan.majewski@onb.ac.at Skype: stefan.majewski.onb.ac.at

But wasn't the point to have the other meeting at TEI Conference and alternate location to make transatlantic flights fairer over the year? J Dr James Cummings, Academic IT Services, University of Oxford (from phone) -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Cayless [philomousos@gmail.com] Received: Tuesday, 10 Feb 2015, 18:13 To: TEI Council [tei-council@lists.tei-c.org] Subject: Re: [tei-council] F2F poll results It works out roughly the same traveling in either direction. Folks on this side of the Atlantic will need a Saturday night stay going to Europe (so extra travel time) just as folks coming here from there will. Martin will be extra-jetlagged going there. The local organizer makes arrangements for the venue and accommodations, sorts out meals, (maybe) handles some transportation, or at least gives advice on getting there and getting to the venue. It isn't all that hard—it just means being organized and making sure the details are covered (e.g. getting a meeting room with a projector, wifi, and sufficient power outlets). On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Majewski Stefan

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Am 10.02.2015 01:46, schrieb Hugh Cayless:

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Would it make more sense to do it in Spring 2016 then? I agree with Syd that hosting and serving as chair will be a pain, but if it means not getting on yet another plane, I’m totally willing to do it:-). Hosting isn’t*that* much of a pain. My travel schedule out through August is getting close to my saturation point.

If travel is the issue and more people have issues to get to the US than the other way round I may ask whether we could host this. talking about the amount of pain that is involved, what is actually involved? A room for ~10p should be possible to get here at Austrian National Library.

cheers, Stefan

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this discussion increasingly resemble a snake biting its tail.... hope we arrive at the head at a certain point :-) or are we inside a moebius strip? f

In case it helps to get to pick a place, this is my understanding of the options in NA so far: Boston: interested, doable, but would prefer next year for attaching mini-conference Ann Arbor: interested and doable Durham: interested and doable So we have only three options left - maybe one of the three potential hosts could tell us firmly and finally that they'll do it? :) The dates, in my understanding, still remain confused between end of April and end of May. Raff On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

I am starting to get a touch of déjà vu :-)...

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this discussion increasingly resemble a snake biting its tail.... hope we arrive at the head at a certain point :-) or are we inside a moebius strip?

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OK. Here's the poll: http://doodle.com/fk8qbq6rrrn7qugq. You may pick only one choice! On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

We are not settled on place. I'm happy to put it to a vote. End of April and end of May don't seem to have any advantages over one another. I slightly prefer April. We can vote on that too. Shall I open one more Doodle poll with the place/date combos and we can make our final choices?

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

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In case it helps to get to pick a place, this is my understanding of the options in NA so far:

Boston: interested, doable, but would prefer next year for attaching mini-conference Ann Arbor: interested and doable Durham: interested and doable

So we have only three options left - maybe one of the three potential hosts could tell us firmly and finally that they'll do it? :) The dates, in my understanding, still remain confused between end of April and end of May.

Raff

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I am starting to get a touch of déjà vu :-)...

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this discussion increasingly resemble a snake biting its tail.... hope we arrive at the head at a certain point :-) or are we inside a moebius strip?

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I am in favour of ann arbor in this year of eebo! Also I have just discovered there is a nonstop flight from Paris to DTW. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: Hugh Cayless Date:02/10/2015 18:32 (GMT+00:00) To: TEI Council Subject: Re: [tei-council] F2F poll results We are not settled on place. I'm happy to put it to a vote. End of April and end of May don't seem to have any advantages over one another. I slightly prefer April. We can vote on that too. Shall I open one more Doodle poll with the place/date combos and we can make our final choices? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com> wrote:

In case it helps to get to pick a place, this is my understanding of the options in NA so far:

Boston: interested, doable, but would prefer next year for attaching mini-conference Ann Arbor: interested and doable Durham: interested and doable

So we have only three options left - maybe one of the three potential hosts could tell us firmly and finally that they'll do it? :) The dates, in my understanding, still remain confused between end of April and end of May.

Raff

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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I am starting to get a touch of déjà vu :-)...

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Fabio Ciotti

wrote:

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this discussion increasingly resemble a snake biting its tail.... hope we arrive at the head at a certain point :-) or are we inside a moebius strip?

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Hi fellow council members, Am 09.02.2015 19:15 schrieb "Hugh Cayless" :

It's now that or no Stefan though. *Or* we attempt to schedule a later

Sorry for making things more complicated. The thing is that I have got a tentative meeting request for the 27th where I could not make it. Unfortunately the priory is such that I could not cancel that. But, it is still possible that this meeting will be on a second date in a different week. I will know within this week. The second thing is that I do not have clearance yet four the funding for an overseas flight. Are there any possibilities for support regarding travel expenses? Cheers, Stefan

Hi Lou, Am 09.02.2015 19:34, schrieb Lou Burnard:

Stefan, I believe the TEI will pay your expenses if your institution cannot or will not.

how is that administratively working. Would it be possible for my institution to pay for the expenses and then invoice the TEI for part of it, e.g. for the flight. They indicated that they'd manage to cover accommodation and other local expenses. kind regards, Stefan -- Mag. Stefan Majewski Projektmanager Abteilung Forschung und Entwicklung Österreichische Nationalbibliothek Josefsplatz 1, 1015 Wien Tel.: (+43 1) 534 10-434 E-Mail: stefan.majewski@onb.ac.at Skype: stefan.majewski.onb.ac.at

BTW I would start searching for flights, early booking usually (but non always) costs less. So our last word was thu 28 to Sat 30 May in Ann Arbor, right? f

Moving the thing to the end of the week makes my idea of staying in US without coming back rather hard, it would be nearly two weeks most of which I should pay myself a place to stay and the eventual internal flight to Durham. Anyway this is a problem of mine, so if the optimum for all is Duke 29 or even 30 let's go with it. f 2015-02-09 19:06 GMT+01:00 Hugh Cayless :

My thought with Thur-Sat is that it might be slightly cheaper and make life slightly easier for people traveling from Europe, since a Saturday night stay usually halves the ticket price and we'd be paying for one less night in a hotel.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Martin Holmes wrote:

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I'm OK with Duke and April 29 - May 1. Also OK with Thur-Sat if necessary.

Even if Victoria were an option from a financial point of view, it's too late to be organizing it for here now; I'd need a long lead time for something happening in the spring on this campus, unfortunately.

Cheers, Martin

On 15-02-09 09:30 AM, Hugh Cayless wrote:

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Stefan now can't make the original most-popular date, leaving us with April 29–May 1 as the only slot when everyone is available. I know that would make things rather inconvenient for you Fabio. So we can either try to work with those dates, or attempt to schedule something later. Please advise.

I don't think we've had any firm offers for location. Would doing it at Duke again work? Would Thursday-Saturday make life any easier?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Fabio Ciotti wrote:

Are we taking any decisions on this? The more we wait the more the

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flight could cost... I know it is just a personal need, but I need some time to organize my journey.

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2015-02-06 12:48 GMT+01:00 Fabio Ciotti :

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I will be in Brown for the workshop on April 17-18, so if we decide for 27-29 I will find a place to stay in Providence for the week and then come to the council meeting. If it is in Providence or Boston it doesn't make great difference, and in general I have no big problems in moving also to other location more or less in the NE of USA. From the economical point of view I think the fair thing could be to share the cost of the flight between Brown and TEI-C (if this is possible with a single ticket since buying one one-way tickets costs more than the whole round-trips), I will see this thing with John and Massimo Riva from Brown. But I need to know dates and place ASAP to organize the thing, so please let's take a final decision.

Fabio

2015-02-04 2:21 GMT+01:00 Syd Bauman :

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As for NA or Europe: I might feel my feathers ruffled if anyone were suggesting we always have *all* meetings in Europe. But if it happens to work out better sometimes to have both meetings in Europe, I'm completely fine with that.

If Fabio is going to be at Brown already, though, we might consider asking Elli to host it there again. Would cut Fabio's and my travel.

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