Dear all, in light of the extension of the CFP until friday, I'd like to come back to our idea of proposing a TEI intro/update workshop for Tokyo. Did anyone already submit a TEI workshop? If not, do we want to do a workshop together? Best wishes, Martina
Hugh and I submitted an Epidoc workshop. But not straight TEI. --elli
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University Library
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On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Scholger, Martina (
martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
Dear all,
in light of the extension of the CFP until friday, I'd like to come back to our idea of proposing a TEI intro/update workshop for Tokyo. Did anyone already submit a TEI workshop? If not, do we want to do a workshop together?
Best wishes, Martina
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I'm submitting a half-day workshop on CETEIcean, to which Hugh may
participate if it doesn't conflict with the Epidoc one.
Raff
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Mylonas, Elli
Hugh and I submitted an Epidoc workshop. But not straight TEI. --elli
[Elli Mylonas Director, Center for Digital Scholarship University Library Brown University library.brown.edu/cds]
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wrote: Dear all,
in light of the extension of the CFP until friday, I'd like to come back to our idea of proposing a TEI intro/update workshop for Tokyo. Did anyone already submit a TEI workshop? If not, do we want to do a workshop together?
Best wishes, Martina
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ooh, I want to take that one!
--e
Apr 15, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Raffaele Viglianti
I'm submitting a half-day workshop on CETEIcean, to which Hugh may participate if it doesn't conflict with the Epidoc one.
Raff
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Mylonas, Elli
wrote: Hugh and I submitted an Epidoc workshop. But not straight TEI. --elli
[Elli Mylonas Director, Center for Digital Scholarship University Library Brown University library.brown.edu/cds]
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wrote: Dear all,
in light of the extension of the CFP until friday, I'd like to come back to our idea of proposing a TEI intro/update workshop for Tokyo. Did anyone already submit a TEI workshop? If not, do we want to do a workshop together?
Best wishes, Martina
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I already took it—it’s pretty good! I want to take the Epidoc one this time! Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text | Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg | Humanities Division 150 Finoli Drive Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu Development site: http://newtfire.org http://newtfire.org/
On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Mylonas, Elli
wrote: ooh, I want to take that one!
--e
Apr 15, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Raffaele Viglianti
wrote: I'm submitting a half-day workshop on CETEIcean, to which Hugh may participate if it doesn't conflict with the Epidoc one.
Raff
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Mylonas, Elli
wrote: Hugh and I submitted an Epidoc workshop. But not straight TEI. --elli
[Elli Mylonas Director, Center for Digital Scholarship University Library Brown University library.brown.edu/cds]
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in light of the extension of the CFP until friday, I'd like to come back to our idea of proposing a TEI intro/update workshop for Tokyo. Did anyone already submit a TEI workshop? If not, do we want to do a workshop together?
Best wishes, Martina
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I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed. The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan? BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit).
I think it would be good to have a dedicated workshop on CETEIcean to help
put it on the map (and on the conference program). If there's no conflict,
I'd be happy to help with the intro to TEI workshop and maybe have 1 hour
for CETEIcean, or I can show the tutor how to use it and use that instead
of TEI Boilerplate if that sounds useful.
Best!
Raff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Syd Bauman
I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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I agree that CETEIcean should be an independent workshop. According to our current plan we have our open Council meeting on Monday morning. This means that we only have the Sunday for a (possible one-day) TEI intro workshop... I'm also happy to help.
Best,
Martina
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I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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Hi all,
Syd, you are correct that I am teaching an intro workshop based on the WWP
curriculum soon, so I'd be happy to reprise it in Japan. Is there some
boilerplate language that we could used to get the proposal started?
Best,
Sarah
Sarah Stanley
Office of Digital Research and Scholarship
Strozier Library, Florida State University
https://www.lib.fsu.edu/drs/
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:15 AM, Scholger, Martina (
martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
I agree that CETEIcean should be an independent workshop. According to our current plan we have our open Council meeting on Monday morning. This means that we only have the Sunday for a (possible one-day) TEI intro workshop... I'm also happy to help.
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Raffaele Viglianti Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 21:33 An: Bauman, Syd ; tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference I think it would be good to have a dedicated workshop on CETEIcean to help put it on the map (and on the conference program). If there's no conflict, I'd be happy to help with the intro to TEI workshop and maybe have 1 hour for CETEIcean, or I can show the tutor how to use it and use that instead of TEI Boilerplate if that sounds useful.
Best! Raff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Syd Bauman
wrote: I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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Hi all,
I shared a google folder with you containing minutes and proposals (DH Mexico). I added a document for the workshop proposal with specifics for the submission. Maybe we can reuse something from the Mexico proposal...
Best,
Martina
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I agree that CETEIcean should be an independent workshop. According to our current plan we have our open Council meeting on Monday morning. This means that we only have the Sunday for a (possible one-day) TEI intro workshop... I'm also happy to help.
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Raffaele Viglianti Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 21:33 An: Bauman, Syd ; tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference I think it would be good to have a dedicated workshop on CETEIcean to help put it on the map (and on the conference program). If there's no conflict, I'd be happy to help with the intro to TEI workshop and maybe have 1 hour for CETEIcean, or I can show the tutor how to use it and use that instead of TEI Boilerplate if that sounds useful.
Best! Raff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Syd Bauman
wrote: I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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Martina, Syd, Sarah, and all— The proposal Martina has shared, a proposal that I wrote with Martina’s and Elli’s help for the ADHO Pre conference workshops in Mexico City, was really plugging to get some XPath instruction and experience into the mix, and was intended for a full day of instruction. (Now it is now boiled down to four hours, so we won’t be able to cover as much as we hoped.) Time constraints may be a factor here, which is why I was hesitant to reintroduce it. Also, it is likely that Syd and Sarah have their own accustomed approach that may not be consistent with what we wrote up for ADHO. That said, if on reading that proposal you find that you like what we planned, I am happy to help with the instruction. It may be that participants could use an intensive concentration on XPath since it may help them with a) studying others’ TEI by navigating it systematically, and b) querying their own data and developing projects on their own. Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org Typeset by hand on my iPad
On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
wrote: Hi all,
I shared a google folder with you containing minutes and proposals (DH Mexico). I added a document for the workshop proposal with specifics for the submission. Maybe we can reuse something from the Mexico proposal...
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Sarah S Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 15:12 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference Hi all,
Syd, you are correct that I am teaching an intro workshop based on the WWP curriculum soon, so I'd be happy to reprise it in Japan. Is there some boilerplate language that we could used to get the proposal started?
Best, Sarah
Sarah Stanley Office of Digital Research and Scholarship Strozier Library, Florida State University https://www.lib.fsu.edu/drs/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/sarcathtic
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:15 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
wrote: I agree that CETEIcean should be an independent workshop. According to our current plan we have our open Council meeting on Monday morning. This means that we only have the Sunday for a (possible one-day) TEI intro workshop... I'm also happy to help.
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Raffaele Viglianti Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 21:33 An: Bauman, Syd ; tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference I think it would be good to have a dedicated workshop on CETEIcean to help put it on the map (and on the conference program). If there's no conflict, I'd be happy to help with the intro to TEI workshop and maybe have 1 hour for CETEIcean, or I can show the tutor how to use it and use that instead of TEI Boilerplate if that sounds useful.
Best! Raff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Syd Bauman
wrote: I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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PS: I am happy to help with the instruction anyway, but sometimes there may be an issue with “too many cooks spoiling the broth”. I will help if it seems like I’d be handy to have in the room, but you probably don’t need all of us to be teaching at once. If there is time and space and desire for an XPath orientation, I am happy to take the lead on that. Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org Typeset by hand on my iPad
On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
wrote: Hi all,
I shared a google folder with you containing minutes and proposals (DH Mexico). I added a document for the workshop proposal with specifics for the submission. Maybe we can reuse something from the Mexico proposal...
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Sarah S Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 15:12 An: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference Hi all,
Syd, you are correct that I am teaching an intro workshop based on the WWP curriculum soon, so I'd be happy to reprise it in Japan. Is there some boilerplate language that we could used to get the proposal started?
Best, Sarah
Sarah Stanley Office of Digital Research and Scholarship Strozier Library, Florida State University https://www.lib.fsu.edu/drs/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/sarcathtic
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:15 AM, Scholger, Martina ( martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
wrote: I agree that CETEIcean should be an independent workshop. According to our current plan we have our open Council meeting on Monday morning. This means that we only have the Sunday for a (possible one-day) TEI intro workshop... I'm also happy to help.
Best, Martina
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Im Auftrag von Raffaele Viglianti Gesendet: Montag, 16. April 2018 21:33 An: Bauman, Syd ; tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] Workshop@TEI conference I think it would be good to have a dedicated workshop on CETEIcean to help put it on the map (and on the conference program). If there's no conflict, I'd be happy to help with the intro to TEI workshop and maybe have 1 hour for CETEIcean, or I can show the tutor how to use it and use that instead of TEI Boilerplate if that sounds useful.
Best! Raff
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Syd Bauman
wrote: I'd like to take CETEIcean, too. But to Martina's question, I am happy to do any workshop already in my bag of tricks, and willing to work on developing a new one if needed.
The standard 2-day intro to TEI I am used to doing for the WWP might be a good choice. Should have 2 intructors. Sarah, you'll be teaching said same workshop w/ Sarah soon, no? Wanna do it again w/ me in Japan?
BTW, if the scheduling can be arranged and Raff is willing, it might work quite well to fold CETEIcean in as the last half of the last day of this intro workshop. (We often cover "publication" in the last session or two, and typically use TEI Boilerplate. But would be fine for Raff to do it using CETEIcean instead.) The intro workshop could be shortened to 1.5-day to make this fit nicely, or could be left at 2 days (in which case we would get to cover customization a bit). -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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Only 1 day for an intro TEI workshop is certainly doable, but short changes things a bit, IMHO. I haven't a clue what kind of audience we expect for workshops in Japan. But my instinct is that getting someone who is not already TEI-literate up to speed enough that the rest of the conference makes sense in 1 day is a tall order.[1] Perhaps an XPath workshop, as Elisa suggests, is a better idea. (Of course there is nothing stopping us from proposing both.) Notes ----- [1] Especially if there are language barriers, which there were somewhat last time we were in Japan. Communication went well in English -- I can only count and say a 1/2-dozen nouns in Japanese, none of which are "element" or "attribute" :-) -- but was often slower than with a group of native English speakers.
Syd, you are correct that I am teaching an intro workshop based on the WWP curriculum soon, so I'd be happy to reprise it in Japan. Is there some boilerplate language that we could used to get the proposal started?
Hi Syd— I agree—one can cover a lot of ground quickly and help people rusty with processing XML with a workshop on XPath, even one of just two hours. It might be possible to orient people to TEI of various interesting kinds if we teach XPath as a means of reading and navigating it, on some interesting sample TEI documents. My experience is a lot of XPath instruction at the heart of the coding classes I have been teaching to university students. Should we try it for the Tokyo conference? Elisa -- Elisa Beshero-Bondar, PhD Director, Center for the Digital Text Associate Professor of English University of Pittsburgh at Greensburg 150 Finoli Drive, Greensburg, PA 15601 USA E-mail: ebb8@pitt.edu | Development site: http://newtfire.org Typeset by hand on my iPad
On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Syd Bauman
wrote: Only 1 day for an intro TEI workshop is certainly doable, but short changes things a bit, IMHO. I haven't a clue what kind of audience we expect for workshops in Japan. But my instinct is that getting someone who is not already TEI-literate up to speed enough that the rest of the conference makes sense in 1 day is a tall order.[1]
Perhaps an XPath workshop, as Elisa suggests, is a better idea. (Of course there is nothing stopping us from proposing both.)
Notes ----- [1] Especially if there are language barriers, which there were somewhat last time we were in Japan. Communication went well in English -- I can only count and say a 1/2-dozen nouns in Japanese, none of which are "element" or "attribute" :-) -- but was often slower than with a group of native English speakers.
Syd, you are correct that I am teaching an intro workshop based on the WWP curriculum soon, so I'd be happy to reprise it in Japan. Is there some boilerplate language that we could used to get the proposal started? -- tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council
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participants (7)
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Elisa
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Elisa Beshero-Bondar
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Mylonas, Elli
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Raffaele Viglianti
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Sarah S
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Scholger, Martina (martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
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Syd Bauman