I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test. On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti

wrote:

Hi Lou,

I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. Sorry for not following up sooner.

The ODD is here:

https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd

Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions:

1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, correct? We define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG

2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on tei:list. We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only generated RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure ODD, or it's always been there)

I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will be fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* ODD.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

...

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case it's the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this weekend? If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test it for you!

Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that we're aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, and I'm going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent net access until then.

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Hi Lou, I'm trying to redefine our datatypes in pure ODD, but one of them uses a regex: <content> rng:choice rng:valueright rng:valuecenter rng:valueleft indent\d </content> I understand I can use <valList> for the first three values, but what about the last one? Thanks, Raff On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

Come come you're too modest : what about that thing called um, what was it, dimple, or pimple, or something?

On 05/02/16 16:03, Magdalena Turska wrote:

...

I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test.

On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com

...

wrote: Hi Lou,

I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. Sorry for not following up sooner.

The ODD is here:

https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd

Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions:

1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, correct? We define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG

2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on tei:list. We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only generated RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure ODD, or it's always been there)

I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will be fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* ODD.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that

...

their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case

it's

...

the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this

weekend?

...

If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test it for you!

Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that we're aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, and I'm going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent net access until then.

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Thanks! Ok, everything is in PureODD now and all files validate. Raff On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

<dataRef name="string" restriction="indent\d"/>

On 05/02/16 20:24, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

...

Hi Lou,

I'm trying to redefine our datatypes in pure ODD, but one of them uses a regex:

<content> rng:choice rng:valueright rng:valuecenter rng:valueleft indent\d </content>

I understand I can use <valList> for the first three values, but what about the last one?

Thanks, Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

Come come you're too modest : what about that thing called um, what was

...

it, dimple, or pimple, or something?

On 05/02/16 16:03, Magdalena Turska wrote:

I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test.

...

On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com

wrote:

...

Hi Lou,

I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. Sorry for not following up sooner.

The ODD is here:

https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd

Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions:

1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, correct? We define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG

2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on tei:list. We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only generated RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure ODD, or it's always been there)

I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will be fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* ODD.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that

...

their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case

it's

the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this

...

weekend?

If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test

...

it for you!

Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that we're aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, and I'm going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent net access until then.

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The "cos-nonambig" error is still there :( On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

Excellent! Did the "cos-nonambig" error just disappear or have you not tested for that?

On 05/02/16 22:05, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

...

Thanks! Ok, everything is in PureODD now and all files validate.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Lou Burnard

...

wrote:

<dataRef name="string" restriction="indent\d"/>

...

On 05/02/16 20:24, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

Hi Lou,

...

I'm trying to redefine our datatypes in pure ODD, but one of them uses a regex:

<content> rng:choice rng:valueright rng:valuecenter rng:valueleft indent\d </content>

I understand I can use <valList> for the first three values, but what about the last one?

Thanks, Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

Come come you're too modest : what about that thing called um, what was

...

it, dimple, or pimple, or something?

On 05/02/16 16:03, Magdalena Turska wrote:

I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test.

...

On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti < raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com

wrote:

> Hi Lou, > > I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. > Sorry > for > not following up sooner. > > The ODD is here: > > > > > https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd > > Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions: > > 1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, > correct? > We > define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG > > 2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on > tei:list. > We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only > generated > RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure > ODD, > or > it's always been there) > > I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will > be > fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* > ODD. > > Raff > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard < > lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> > wrote: > > I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check > that > > their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the >> lb42-pureodd >> branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, >> or >> maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or >> maybe >> they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in >> case >> >> it's >> > the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this > >> weekend? >> > If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test > >> it >> for you! >> >> Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that >> we're >> aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, >> and >> I'm >> going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent >> net >> access until then. >> >> >> -- >> tei-council mailing list >> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >> >> -- >> >> tei-council mailing list > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > > > -- > tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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Hi Lou, thanks for your comments! In the following case, we have restricted the values of @hand to a set number of IDREFs that we know are correct; so that the encoders don't misspell them or add unwanted ones: <attDef ident="hand" mode="replace" usage="opt"> <valList mode="replace" type="closed"> <valItem ident="#pbs"/> <valItem ident="#mws"/> <valItem ident="#library"/> </valList> </attDef> Since @hand as datatype of data.pointer, those strings will match the datatype. Is there a more kosher way of doing this? Other fairly non-sensical values with [ (, etc will be gone in a future iteration. Raff On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Lou Burnard wrote:

Hi Raff

I noticed the following problems in your ODD

(a) several of your valList/valItem/@ident values are not valid XML names (e.g. they include characters like # or [ or ') : this doesnt matter to RELAXNG, but it makes life difficult for other processors

(b) Your redefinition of the <line> element includes the <add> element twice. Once will do.

(c) the problem with list is a nasty one. you've undeclared some elements which the default content model expects to find, leaving behind multiple sequences of 0:n model.globals. Probably the easiest solution is to redefine the content model for <list>. I'll think about that and get back to you...

Lou

On 05/02/16 22:18, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

...

The "cos-nonambig" error is still there :(

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Lou Burnard

...

wrote:

Excellent! Did the "cos-nonambig" error just disappear or have you not

...

tested for that?

On 05/02/16 22:05, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

Thanks! Ok, everything is in PureODD now and all files validate.

...

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk wrote:

<dataRef name="string" restriction="indent\d"/>

...

On 05/02/16 20:24, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

Hi Lou,

...

I'm trying to redefine our datatypes in pure ODD, but one of them uses a regex:

<content> rng:choice rng:valueright rng:valuecenter rng:valueleft indent\d </content>

I understand I can use <valList> for the first three values, but what about the last one?

Thanks, Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

Come come you're too modest : what about that thing called um, what was

it, dimple, or pimple, or something? > > > On 05/02/16 16:03, Magdalena Turska wrote: > > I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test. > > On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti < >> raffaeleviglianti@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Lou, >>> >>> I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. >>> Sorry >>> for >>> not following up sooner. >>> >>> The ODD is here: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd >>> >>> Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions: >>> >>> 1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, >>> correct? >>> We >>> define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG >>> >>> 2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on >>> tei:list. >>> We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only >>> generated >>> RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure >>> ODD, >>> or >>> it's always been there) >>> >>> I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that >>> will >>> be >>> fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a >>> *huge* >>> ODD. >>> >>> Raff >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard < >>> lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check >>> that >>> >>> their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the >>> >>>> lb42-pureodd >>>> branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to >>>> check, >>>> or >>>> maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or >>>> maybe >>>> they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in >>>> case >>>> >>>> it's >>>> >>>> the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this >>> >>> weekend? >>>> >>>> If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll >>> test >>> >>> it >>>> for you! >>>> >>>> Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that >>>> we're >>>> aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, >>>> and >>>> I'm >>>> going to be buried in the French countryside with only >>>> intermittent >>>> net >>>> access until then. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> tei-council mailing list >>>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>>> >>>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> tei-council mailing list >>>> >>> tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> tei-council mailing list >> > tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > > PLEASE NOTE: postings to this list are publicly archived > > > -- > tei-council mailing list tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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I'm working gradually on a new ODD for my Amadis-in-Translation project (as Syd knows...) and I wonder if it'll be useful to test here...I'll post more if I can get to it in time for this month's testing. (There is also a pretty intense pile of student coding and papers to grade--argh!) Elisa Typeset by hand on my iPad

On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Magdalena Turska wrote:

I'm a bit ashamed but indeed I do not have ODDs of my own to test.

On 5 February 2016 at 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti

...

wrote:

...

Hi Lou,

I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. Sorry for not following up sooner.

The ODD is here:

https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd

Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions:

1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, correct? We define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG

2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on tei:list. We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only generated RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure ODD, or it's always been there)

I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will be fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* ODD.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

...

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case it's the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this weekend? If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test it for you!

Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that we're aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, and I'm going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent net access until then.

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Lou -- My instinct is that a) @restriction should be defined as teidata.pattern, not xs:string b) The prose of teidata.pattern should define what kind of regular expression is being used (i.e., XML Schema datatypes) Thoughts?

Also sounds completely reasonable to me. -James On 09/02/16 08:58, Lou Burnard wrote:

Sounds entirely plausible....

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Lou --

My instinct is that a) @restriction should be defined as teidata.pattern, not xs:string b) The prose of teidata.pattern should define what kind of regular expression is being used (i.e., XML Schema datatypes)

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Thanks Raff. I haven't looked at your ODD yet, but I will do so later this weekend. Good to know it seemed to work anyway. To answer your questions: 1) Datatypes are no longer directly defined in RNG, though the facility has been kept for compatibility. For true purity, you should proceed as follows: - change all occurrences of appearing as sole child of <datatype> to <dataRef key="teidata.foo"/> (there is a teidata.foo for each data.foo defined in earlier versions of P5) - for cases where your "data.foo" is NOT defined by TEI, or where your <datatype> contains a more complex RNG expression, you will need to add an appropriate <dataSpec> to your ODD, within which you use <dataRef>s as needed either to point at other TEI dataSpecs using @key, or to point at predefined RNG datatypes using @name. 2) the dread cos-nonambig error is usually caused by a duff definition for macro.anyxml : I'll look into this when I get time to scan your ODD 3) the conversion scripts I used for P5 are in the repo (P5/Scripts) ... no guarantees that they will work for anything other than P5 though! On 05/02/16 15:56, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

Hi Lou,

I converted the Shelley Godwin Archive ODD to PureODD last week. Sorry for not following up sooner.

The ODD is here: https://github.com/umd-mith/sga/blob/master/data/odd/shelley-godwin-page.odd

Everything seems to work fine, but I have two comments / questions:

1) Datatypes (macroSpec[@type='dt']) are still defined in RNG, correct? We define some custom datatypes in our ODD and I still had to use RNG

2) The XSD that gets generated returns a "cos-nonambig" error on tei:list. We don't touch tei:ist in the ODD however. We have always only generated RNG, so I'm not sure whether this problem is new (ie caused by Pure ODD, or it's always been there)

I hope to find the time to give a stab at the MEI ODD too (that will be fun), but I will need a converter script there, because it's a *huge* ODD.

Raff

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

...

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case it's the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this weekend? If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test it for you!

Why the pressure? Well, mostly that I've just been reminded that we're aiming for a pre-release freeze for the end of the current month, and I'm going to be buried in the French countryside with only intermittent net access until then.

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Neither. It's been merged into dev. Sent from my phone.

On Feb 5, 2016, at 11:19, Syd Bauman wrote:

Lou --

Should we be testing against the lb42-pureodd branch or the lb42-pureodd-2 branch?

...

I haven't heard from anyone since I asked Council members to check that their existing ODDs continue to work as expected using the lb42-pureodd branch. So maybe no Council members actually have any ODDs to check, or maybe those who do have all checked and have nothing to report, or maybe they just haven't got round to it yet. I don't know, but just in case it's the 3rd possibility, please could I urge you to give it a go this weekend? If you prefer, you could just bung me a copy of the ODD and I'll test it for you!

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