Re: [Tei-council] PDF build with Japanese

You may not want to hear then that I think I’ve fixed it. At an appointment right now but will try to check everything in when I get back. Hugh

On Feb 8, 2021, at 12:13, Martin Holmes wrote:

Hi Hugh,

Yes, I think that was definitely part of it; where I was including Japanese text inside e.g. a <mentioned> element, for example, the build would fail. The result of working around this is that the Guidelines lack tagging that they should actually have, which is a bit sad.

The other thing that caused a problem, I think, was the fact that I had embedded Japanese examples inside an egXML with @xml:lang="ja", but hadn't included any wrapper element inside the example. So if you do this:

<egXML xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/Examples" xml:lang="ja"> <!--...--> <ruby> <rb>大学</rb> <rt place="above">だいがく</rt> </ruby> <!--...--> </p> </egXML>

then the build will fail; instead, you have to do this:

<egXML xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/Examples"> <p xml:lang="ja"> <!--...--> <ruby> <rb>大学</rb> <rt place="above">だいがく</rt> </ruby> <!--...--> </p> </egXML>

This is quite misleading because it suggests that the host document for the example is not Japanese; there's just a para of Japanese embedded in it. It may also encourage the perception that the language must be specified not just on the root element but throughout the document.

I think these things are fixable, but frankly I don't think the PDF has sufficient value at this point that it's worth anyone fixing them, and I think it's unlikely that anyone will ever get around to it -- note that this ticket:

https://github.com/TEIC/Stylesheets/issues/151

which I raised the last time I was doing multilingual stuff in the Glines remains unaddressed after five years.

As long as we include the PDF in our build process, we'll continue to compromise the quality of the encoding in the Guidelines to work around bugs in it. That's not good.

Cheers, Martin

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On 2021-02-08 8:56 a.m., Hugh Cayless wrote: Hi Martin, As Peter mentions, there may be other issues with the PDF build, but I *think* what's going on is that the GLs building processes are trying to italicise fonts (Noto CJK fonts) that don't have an Italic form. I guess that's not a thing—I wasn't aware of it. Trying to troubleshoot a bit... Hugh On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:05 AM Martin Holmes mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca> wrote: Hi Peter, Thanks for testing. I've just been hacking away with alternative places to put the xml:lang attribute, and finally hit on a setup that makes the PDF. But the build still fails. :-( I can't see why -- I get a "working" PDF. (By which I mean it's complete with all pages, although as has been the case for years, stuff is broken all over the place.) I can't figure out why the xelatex build is returning an error when it finishes OK. There are myriad warnings throughout the tex log, but they're all normal as far as I can see. What's happening, do you think? The PDF output is messed up in all sorts of ways, and I can't believe anyone is using it seriously; could we consider dropping it in favour of paying more attention to the ePubs? Cheers, Martin On 2021-02-08 7:52 a.m., Peter Stadler wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I was just having a look but it seems you were quicker :) > Only thing left for me is to confirm that it now (with your latest commit 5ea4d84) builds for me locally, too. > > Best > Peter > >> Am 08.02.2021 um 02:53 schrieb Martin Holmes mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca>: >> >> Hi all, >> >> The ruby stuff is now merged into the repo, and I've spent a good few hours now trying to get the PDF to build properly. It dies with this error: >> >> ! LaTeX3 Error: The key 'fontspec-opentype/...' is unknown and is being >> (LaTeX3) ignored. >> >> which is something to do with xml:lang='ja' appearing in the source. At one point I got it to build, but without the Japanese language attributes, the characters just come out as square boxes. Can anyone who knows more about LaTeX than me suggest anything? I don't really want to go round removing xml:lang attributes just to get past the PDF problem, but I don't know what else to do at this point. >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> -- >> ------------------------------------- >> Humanities Computing and Media Centre >> University of Victoria >> mholmes@uvic.ca mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> Tei-council mailing list >> Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council > -- ------------------------------------- Humanities Computing and Media Centre University of Victoria mholmes@uvic.ca mailto:mholmes@uvic.ca _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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