Hi Lou (and council and MartinM), I was tasked making a Simple version of person/place/org for inclusion in TEI Simple headers. My proposal is below, but includes one currently non-conformant change: allowing the <name> element in person/place/org (persName/placeName/orgName are allowed respectively). We don't want to add those other forms to TEI Simple, but need some way to provide the standardised name in all of these named entity elements. I wouldn't want TEI to be non-conformant, so it would need to be added to person/place generally -- it is already in org for some reason so doing this would provide more equivalence between the named entity elements. My proposal is interspersed with bits of ODD for Lou to take into the Simple ODD if he agrees. Overall elements I've cut down to what I view as the minimal number elements for providing basic person/place/org information. I added to existing elements: <moduleRef key="namesdates" include="event location state person place org"/> <moduleRef key="corpus" include="settingDesc particDesc"/> <classRef key="model.personLike"/> <classRef key="model.placeLike"/> So that is event, location, state, person, place, and org from the namesdates module, and settingDesc and particDesc (for the place to put these people/place/org) from the corpus module. In most cases specialised elements inside person/place/org can be modelled with note (already in simple) and state. I've provided an exemplum for each of person/place/org. I've also suggested removing the alternation with model.pLike elements. Which would mean if you are doing TEI Simple then you can't just bung a paragraph in, but have to provide at least one element inside (such as <name>). This fits with the TEI Simple idea of trying to only have one way of doing things. Likewise for simple uses I've deemed listPerson, listPlace, listOrg as unnecessary. In the case of attributes, the elements should be a member of whatever att.global classes simple uses, e.g. to get @xml:lang/@xml:id but I would remove att.editLike but retain att.sortable and att.typed (on org/place, people aren't already allowed to be typed... though I might argue against that) I'd retain any locally defined attributes. (e.g. @age/@role/@sex on person, since they can be used instead of some child elements) PERSON <elementSpec xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" module="namesdates" ident="person" mode="change"> <!-- It should be a member of whatever att.global classes simple uses, e.g. to get @xml:lang/@xml:id but I would remove att.editLike but retain att.sortable I would retain the locally defined attributes of @role, @sex, and @age --> <classes mode="replace"> <memberOf key="model.personLike"/> <memberOf key="att.sortable"/> <!-- att.global gets too much. All I'd recommend is xml:lang, xml:id, n; ana; cert, resp; corresp; for person/place/org --> </classes> <!-- I would only allow name, bibl, state, event, idno, bibl, and note. Except for name, that is a subset of current content model. I'd remove optional alternation with pLike --> <content> <alternate minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="unbounded"> <!-- name is currently *not* allowed inside <person>, only <persName>. We don't want to add that back, so should we allow <name> in larger TEI? --> <elementRef key="name"/> <elementRef key="bibl"/> <elementRef key="state"/> <elementRef key="event"/> <elementRef key="idno"/> <elementRef key="note"/> </alternate> </content> <exemplum> <egXML xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/Examples"> <person xml:id="SPQR" age="61" sex="m"> <name type="person"> <name type="forename">Sebastian</name> <name type="forename">Patrick</name> <name type="forename">Quintus</name> <name type="surname">Rahtz</name> </name> <event type="birth" when="1955-02-13"> <ab>13 February 1955</ab> </event> <event type="death" when="2016-03-15"> <ab>15 March 2016</ab> </event> <state type="affiliation" notBefore="1999" notAfter="2012"> <ab>Oxford University Computing Services, University of Oxford</ab> </state> <state type="affiliation" notBefore="2012" notAfter="2015" corresp="#Ox_IT"> <ab>IT Services, University of Oxford</ab> </state> <state type="nationality"> <ab>British</ab> </state> <note>The production and release process for TEI P5 was originally developed by Sebastian Rahtz for the TEI Technical Council.</note> </person> </egXML> </exemplum> </elementSpec> ORG <elementSpec xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" module="namesdates" ident="org" mode="change"> <!-- It should be a member of whatever att.global classes simple uses, e.g. to get @xml:lang/@xml:id but I would remove att.editLike but retain att.sortable and att.typed I would retain the locally defined attribute of @role --> <classes mode="replace"> <memberOf key="model.personLike"/> <memberOf key="att.typed"/> <memberOf key="att.sortable"/> <!-- att.global gets too much. All I'd recommend is xml:lang, xml:id, n; ana; cert, resp; corresp; for person/place/org --> </classes> <!-- I would only allow name, bibl, state, event, idno, bibl, location, and note. I'd remove optional alternation with pLike and nesting of org --> <content> <alternate minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="unbounded"> <elementRef key="name"/> <elementRef key="bibl"/> <elementRef key="state"/> <elementRef key="event"/> <elementRef key="idno"/> <elementRef key="note"/> <elementRef key="location"/> </alternate> </content> <exemplum> <egXML xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/Examples"> <org xml:id="Ox_IT"> <name type="org" notBefore="2012">IT Services, University of Oxford</name> <name type="org" notAfter="2102">Oxford University Computing Services, University of Oxford</name> <location> <address> <addrLine n="street">13 Banbury Road,</addrLine> <addrLine n="city">Oxford</addrLine> <addrLine n="postcode">OX2 6NN</addrLine> <addrLine n="country">United Kingdom</addrLine> </address> </location> <event when="2012"> <ab>Oxford University Computing Services, University of Oxford, merged with two other departments in 2012 to form IT Services.</ab> </event> </org> </egXML> </exemplum> </elementSpec> PLACE <elementSpec xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" module="namesdates" ident="place" mode="change"> <!-- It should be a member of whatever att.global classes simple uses, e.g. to get @xml:lang/@xml:id but I would remove att.editLike but retain att.sortable and att.typed I would retain the locally defined attribute of @role --> <classes mode="replace"> <memberOf key="model.placeLike"/> <memberOf key="att.typed"/> <memberOf key="att.sortable"/> <!-- att.global gets too much. All I'd recommend is xml:lang, xml:id, n; ana; cert, resp; corresp; for person/place/org --> </classes> <!-- I would only allow name, bibl, state, event, idno, bibl, location, and note. I'd remove optional alternation with pLike and nesting of place. As with person I would add name --> <content> <alternate minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="unbounded"> <elementRef key="name"/> <elementRef key="bibl"/> <elementRef key="state"/> <elementRef key="event"/> <elementRef key="idno"/> <elementRef key="note"/> <elementRef key="location"/> </alternate> </content> <exemplum> <egXML xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/Examples"> <place xml:lang="Bristol" type="city"> <name xml:lang="en">Bristol</name> <name xml:lang="ang">Brycgstow</name> <name type="country">United Kingdom</name> <event when="1155" type="foundation"> <ab>Royal charter granted</ab> </event> <location> <num type="geo">51.45, -2.583333</num> </location> <state type="climate"> <ab>Climate data from Bristol Weather Centre 1971 - 2000 shows an average high temperature of 7.5 - 22 degrees celcius, and an average low temperature of 2.9 - 14.3 degrees celcius.</ab> </state> </place> </egXML> </exemplum> </elementSpec> Happy to entertain modifications to this initial proposal. -James