"Simple" is bad as a name on many levels:
1. It's not simple.
2. It doesn't describe what the customization is for.
3. People tend to conflate "simple" with "easy" and will naturally tend
towards choosing the easy. We shouldn't be pushing people in a particular
direction without knowing what they're trying to do.*
4. It opens us up to snarky jokes. They pretty much write themselves.
I'm much less worried about TEI Print, which might confuse people for 30
seconds, but they can read and see it's for printed materials, and not make
any bad decisions.
Other variants are fine too: TEI Printed, TEI Bookish, TEI Old Print,
whatever. Let's just please not do Simple.
* I think of recommending a customization as being a bit like what happens
when you ask a Reference Librarian to recommend a book on X. They will
respond by asking you "What do you want it for?"
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Scholger, Martina (
martina.scholger@uni-graz.at)
Hi,
@TEI Print: I agree with Elli that "TEI Print" may be confusing and lets one think of print output (maybe I have the connotation because there is a joint project from German universities called "XML print"). I think it is somehow misleading. If we go for "print", I would prefer an additional term like "earlyPrint", as Lou suggested, or something else.
@TEI Simple: I like James' idea of building other schemas on the basis of TEI Simple (or whatever it is called in the end) in the future. I would have no problem with keeping it as TEI Simple. While it contains a couple of complexities (the header, as discussed earlier this week), it is a reduced and well documented set and I'm not sure how an even more simplified version would look like...
@TEI Bookish That sounds not too bad, actually. And I like Raff's explanation.
Martina
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org [mailto:tei-council-bounces@ lists.tei-c.org] Im Auftrag von Raffaele Viglianti Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2016 19:31 An: James Cummings; tei-council@lists.tei-c.org Betreff: Re: [tei-council] what's in a name?
I think Lou was semiserious when he offered TEIBookish, but I kind of like it. It indicates that it's mainly for books, but can deal with other stuff, including the other publication types that Martin brought up (broadsides, pamphlets...)
I have no big issue with TEI Print. On the other hand TEI Simple may be misleading when a newbie uses it thinking it would be simple, but instead it turns out it's not that simple and is only good to encode printed material by (mostly) dead with men.
Raff
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:20 PM, James Cummings < James.Cummings@it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
TEI PBWWM. (Printed books by white western men. ;-) ) (And yes, I know the objections to that, but exceptions aside it still does capture the limitations of scope for the TE Simple project.)
Ok, I still like TEI Simple. I think people could then build on this to do say critical editions with TEI Simple Editions, manuscript descriptions with TEI Simple msDesc, and corpora with TEI Simple
Corpora, etc. etc.
i.e. I view it as a starting point which some people will just use but from which we can make the more specific customisations targeting specific communities.
If you decide it is just about print or books then TEI Books and TEI Print aren't *bad*. Just don't float my boat as much.
-James
On 20/10/16 18:13, Lou Burnard wrote:
I'd really like us to come to a conclusion on what the-schema-formerly-known-as-simple should be called, this week if possible.
So far I've noticed some mild approval (and one objection) to renaming it as TEI Print. There's also been some mild approval for the notion that its current name is not good. But no other alternative seems to command support.
My experience has always been that deciding on a name for anything can take weeks and weeks and never reach any satisfactory conclusion because it's always possible to say "nah I dont like it". So can we have a sharp deadline for this discussion? I suggest Monday 24th, midnight CET.
And a rule that says "if you don't like [name] you have to propose a better one" might help too.
-- Dr James Cummings, James.Cummings@it.ox.ac.uk Academic IT Services, University of Oxford
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