Re: [tei-council] what's in a name?

I think the confusion here is legitimate. Martin Mueller wants this to become a replacement for TEI Lite, and to become the standard on-ramp for new users to TEI who just want a schema, dammit. But the way it was implemented was as something that would accommodate things like EEBO. It also, of course, has new stuff like the Processing Model. So in some sense this is a sort of updated Lite. Some of us just don't work with materials like this or in this way and are a little bemused that TEI for most everyone is totally useless for our purposes, and tend to think we'd be better off improving our customization and documentation stories. I think we lean towards preferring a name that reflects what the customization was designed for, rather than one that claims to be easy TEI for everyone. We are making a very fundamental decision here with the naming of this thing, which is why it's hard. Is this going to be the on-ramp for new users? If so, I think we have to decide to promote it that way—this is what MM is arguing for. Or is this going to be a useful customization for things like EEBO, so not "start here", but "start here if you're producing surrogates of printed materials." In the latter case, I think we'd be deciding that the on-ramp to TEI is a bit more like a reference interview, and the new TEI user has to think about what they want to do before choosing or customizing a schema. And we'd be deciding to focus on designing tools and documentation to facilitate that decision. Hugh On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Elisa wrote:

Wait a second--I'm in a state of semantic confusion now. *Is* this-thing-whose-name-is-poised-to-change actually right now in the form it will take in the December 2016 release simply "a new take on Lite"? My understanding from this entire conversation is that, whatever its original purpose, it is actually attuned to Western Books and Printed Materials (by dead white authors etc etc under the Western authorship model). To avoid the very semantic confusion that Magda and Kevin both warned about, and to recall the very goal of coming up with a distinct name that does not mislead by conveying universality of application, and that rather makes very clear the best (and indeed widely if not universally applicable) use of the thing-that-is-really-not-simple, we are better off with Bookish or Print. And I like Bookish for capturing those cases that aren't necessarily print but are close enough for this to apply.

The idea that this is supposed to be for everyone new as an ideal starting point seems to be the problem we've been discussing all along as we have been searching for a more appropriate name than Simple, right? I'm not sure that "Go" helps much in making clear this is only really "Go" for some kinds of work.

Elisa

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On Oct 23, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Lou Burnard wrote:

Tei army knife in the shower just makes me think of Psycho... But ok Magda, tei go will be on the list, which should appear after lunch.

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [tei-council] what's in a name? From: Magdalena Turska To: tei-council@lists.tei-c.org CC:

I support TEI Go (TEI o2 also very clever, good one Peter). I was thinking about TEI ArmyKnife in the shower but it's only good for subtitling, not as a brand. Now TEI Go officially has 2 supporters, can we have it on the list, Lou?

Elisa, I actually disagree we want to cut all connections with Lite and Tite, Simple essentially being a new take on Lite. What we wanted to avoid was utter confusion between the three 'facilitated by phonic/semantic similarity' as Kevin pointed out. I claim Go is sufficiently distinct in both aspects, has a nice ring to it, brings positive image of things moving forward...

On 23 October 2016 at 10:16, Lou Burnard wrote:

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Sfaics the only names so far proposed which have two or more supporters are Simple, Print, and Bookish. You have a couple more hours before nominations close and I send out the ballot papers though. Especially as it's Sunday and I am running a bit late.

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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [tei-council] what's in a name? From: Hugh Cayless To: TEI Council CC:

Fine with that except for point #1. I think no vote is *not* a vote for the status quo.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk

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On 21/10/16 17:57, Magdalena Turska wrote:

At the end of this, do we have a vote or what? I wonder how to get

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discussion leading somewhere...

This is why I hate naming discussions and why they always go on forever.

Here's what I suggest.

1. All members of Council have a vote, just one. If you do not vote

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Returning Officer will assume you are voting for the status quo, i.e. "Simple".

2. You have until Sunday morning (in Europe) to propose new names and argue their case. At noon on Sunday, I will recirculate the list of candidates. To be a candidate, a name must have more than one supporter.

3. On Tuesday evening, the Returning Officer will count the votes and declare a winner. AND THAT WILL BE AN END OF IT!

I am happy to volunteer for the job of Returning Officer. I was going to say Hugh should do it, but since he has strong views on one of the candidates (and I dont: just on the need to knock this thing on the head)...

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