Re: [tei-council] Whither TEI Sessions

I entirely agree with James that trying to predict the future is a mug's game and we shouldn't try to do it. I also like Elisa's suggestion very much. I don't know where to start with Martin Mueller's paper: it contains so much that seems to me entirely wrong-headed mixed up with some self evident verities. On 06/09/16 21:35, James Cummings wrote:

I agree with those who say that it is good to say where we are as prologue to an imagined 30 year projection. I suppose one of the things we could end with is such an imagined future but almost everyone who has ever imagined the future of technology more than 10 years away has been very inaccurate. I would say that the TEI's job as a standard and consortium is to help people by giving them a framework or system for expressing their understandings of text(s) and what they want to say about those texts using rigorous and intellectually honest digital methodologies. I would say that in 30 years we would hope to be doing the same things either refining what we already have or dealing with new sources, new methodologies, and new technologies. Our job certainly isn't to leap after the next new technology before it has become mainstream (however much we may enjoy also doing that in our day jobs or evening pastimes). That is the kind of thing I'd say.

Oh, and I very much like Elisa's suggestion and think that her talking about being a newbie on Council and how much she has learned (and how much more there is to it than she might have thought?) would be good and beneficial.

I'm very resistant to Martin Mueller's idea that the Council should be doing a lot more than its current mandate. At some point it may be that the TEI has exhausted the need for development and maintenance of the guidelines and we can move on to other roles more fully, but I feel we are struggling to even complete this and as an elected group for short terms we shouldn't make being on Council even harder for those who want to contribute but have less time.

(But I remind people that the Council list is publicly archived while the board-council list is not, so those reading this in archived form will not necessarily have seen Martin M's draft yet.)

-James

On 06/09/16 20:28, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

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Hi-- I haven't been jumping to the fore mostly because I haven't been on Council terribly long, but: * I like Presentation #1 and I'm happy to help out with it in any way that works. I'm a little worried, by the way, about Martin Mueller's peeps in his latest messages about his sense that Council's role ought to change--he seems to think that maintaining the Guidelines is problematic or too limited. I really want to help counter that perspective: the Guidelines are important, difficult, require a LOT of conversation, debate, and reflection, and careful writin. Can I talk about that as a Newbie on Council who is very impressed with the effort we've been putting in? I'd hate to see us stuck with other roles that outsiders from Council might think better suited to us, if people don't understand the serious work we're already doing(!)

* I'm happy to be a stooge in the audience, too--I'm good at interjecting pointed questions--but Presentation #1 has a strong pull for me.

Thanks, Elisa

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:52 AM, James Cummings mailto:James.Cummings@it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

I've not volunteered since I'm already speaking/doing too much at the conference this year. However, I'd happily be one of the stooges in the audience ready and willing to ask leading questions or similar if necessary.

I would note that none of these really answer what Martin Mueller has proposed as "Whither TEI: The Next Thirty Years".

-James

On 06/09/16 15:14, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

If nobody is passionate about presentation #1, I'd be happy to take it on. Maybe someone with more experience could back me up on the release part (particularly re: Oxygen components) Raff

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Hugh Cayless mailto:philomousos@gmail.com> wrote:

Reminder: we need at least 2 more volunteers to present during the Council session. Don't all shout at once!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E1SEMfxvhhm_ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E1SEMfxvhhm_ I9fAwFzOMXOl6mLy02o10aJWQt7BfhM/edit?usp=sharing

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Lou Burnard mailto:lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk wrote:

I certainly have no objection, though I think I can predict the outcome. In other mail from the Board I see that the TEI's problems are largely because "social facts" often contradict "actual facts", and there clearly is an established "social fact" that customization is hard and unnecessary, even though we keep saying it's neither. So we need either to find a better way of saying it, or give up. Not the least irritating aspect of this is that those who refuse to do customisation then proceed to reproach the TEI system with being too large and complex, or not sufficiently customized to their

needs.

On 01/09/16 16:17, Hugh Cayless wrote:

Your name's on it! Do you think doing that sort of survey would be

useful?

I'd kind of like to know what the TEI user on the street thinks about

the

question of whether to pick a standard schema vs. customize your own.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Lou Burnard < lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk mailto:lou.burnard@retired.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

Happy to volunteer for number 2 !

Sent from my Honor Mobile

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tei-council] Whither TEI Sessions From: Hugh Cayless To: TEI Council CC:

I've tried to distill the ideas in the Google Doc into 3 presentations. Can you all take a look and see if you agree with my choices? We'll need volunteers for each talk, which will entail writing and giving a short presentation (definitely under 10 minutes, 5 would be ideal). We also need a moderator. The rest of us should be available to the presenters as support both before and during the session.

I think all of the talks would benefit from canvassing the community beforehand. I did a little thinking about what a survey of

customization

usage might look like and put some sample questions in there.

Any feedback from the community should be solicited ASAP, I think,

since

we're less than 4 weeks out.

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