Re: [Tei-council] Stylesheets: rub out tei: prefix?

(which is what I do, btw) they're only pesky if you forget them! On 04/01/2019 18:45, Mylonas, Elli wrote:

you can always abbreviate to a single letter...

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:43 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar mailto:ebb8@pitt.edu> wrote:

I will take this opportunity to express surprise that so many of you like those pesky prefixes! Forgetting to use them drives me mad--think of occasions in writing XSLT where it's just so many extra keystrokes and one thing more to debug. Anyway, happy new year, you namespace-prefix-lovers! Elisa

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:41 PM Mylonas, Elli mailto:elli_mylonas@brown.edu> wrote:

Hi all - I tend to prefer tp see namespaces expressed explicitly. But agree with James that Syd is the one groping around in the code. So 4 or 5 for me.

  --elli

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:44 AM James Cummings mailto:James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi all,

I simultaneously agree that explicitness is good and tend to use xpath-default-namespace all the time myself.  I also remember learning from Sebastian that you *always* check namespaces first when something goes wrong. ;-) But since ODDs are always written in TEI (even non-TEI ODDs), it makes sense to me to use default namespace for TEI.  I'd vote 4.

Many thanks,

James

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------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Tei-council mailto:tei-council-bounces@lists.tei-c.org> on behalf of Lou Burnard mailto:lou@OX.AC.UK> *Sent:* 04 January 2019 15:07:27 *To:* Raffaele Viglianti; Elisa Beshero-Bondar *Cc:* Peter Stadler; Lou Burnard; TEI Council; Martin Holmes *Subject:* Re: [Tei-council] Stylesheets: rub out tei: prefix? FWIW, I agree with Raffaele and Peter in preferring the explicitness and clarity of a prefix. Sebastian always used to say that whenever a stylesheet didn't behave as expected, it was a namespace problem.

But if Syd is producing a new version, clearly he has the right to make whatever cosmetic changes he is more comfortable with. Might be a good idea to keep the old version around for a while though, just to check nothing has been broken by such  changes, if I may state the obvious.

On 04/01/2019 11:44, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

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I always use prefixes. I think it helps with clarity and feels more rigorous/consistent. So my preference would be 5.

Raff

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 5:09 AM Elisa Beshero-Bondar mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com wrote:

By the way, I think there’s a way to do it in pure Schematron, but I am not sure (have to check) if it can be done in the ODD context. If I remember right for pure Schematron at least, the question is whether you have to set the prefix on the Schematron elements or the TEI ones.

Elisa

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> On Jan 4, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar mailto:ebbondar@gmail.com> wrote: > > Having worked with setting default namespaces rather a lot in various contexts (XSLT, XQuery, Schematron, I vote enthusiastically for 1). This really just amounts to a change that reduces verbosity, as Syd indicates, but also reflects the default centrality of the TEI in the Stylesheets anyway. And it is a pain to have to remember the default prefix all the time when we gave to edit. > > Elisa > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Peter Stadler mailto:pstadler@mail.uni-paderborn.de> wrote: >> >> I honestly prefer the verbosity of 5) — and I don’t think these XPath expressions can be significantly simplified nor compressed by removing those namespace prefixes. >> But just to make double sure: This is just a (proposed) cosmetic change due to your personal preference, right? This wouldn’t be bad thing, though, and I think you deserve to do it your way since you are the ODD one  :) >> >> Cheers >> Peter >> >>> Am 04.01.2019 um 02:18 schrieb Syd Bauman mailto:s.bauman@northeastern.edu>: >>> >>> The current odd2odd.xsl (like most of the stylesheets) uses the >>> explicitly bound namespace prefix "tei:" in XPaths. I am inclined to >>> use @xpath-default-namespace and get rid of them. I think our XPaths >>> are often already long enough to wrap around even a wide screen >>> twice, and things like "ancestor::tei:teiHeader" are just harder to >>> read. >>> >>> Please vote (fast): >>> 1) I very much want to get rid of the "tei:" prefix in XPaths >>> 2) I prefer to get rid of them, but don't care much >>> 3) Makes no difference to me, mate >>> 4) I prefer to keep them, but don't care much >>> 5) I very much want to keep the "tei: prefix in XPaths >>> >>> In case you're curious, there are approximately >>> 517 tei: >>> 38 rng: >>> 15  xs: >>>  5   a: >>>  4 xml: >>>  2 sch: >>> prefixes in odd2odd.xsl. (Looking only in attr values.) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tei-council mailing list >>> Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >>> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tei-council mailing list >> Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org >> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council _______________________________________________ Tei-council mailing list Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org mailto:Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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