Re: [Tei-council] Stylesheets: rub out tei: prefix?

And it's one more thing to forget! Life's challenging enough. When you have an opportunity to use a default namespace, why not use it? E :) On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:47 PM Lou Burnard wrote:

(which is what I do, btw)

they're only pesky if you forget them!

On 04/01/2019 18:45, Mylonas, Elli wrote:

you can always abbreviate to a single letter...

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:43 PM Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

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I will take this opportunity to express surprise that so many of you like those pesky prefixes! Forgetting to use them drives me mad--think of occasions in writing XSLT where it's just so many extra keystrokes and one thing more to debug. Anyway, happy new year, you namespace-prefix-lovers! Elisa

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:41 PM Mylonas, Elli wrote:

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Hi all - I tend to prefer tp see namespaces expressed explicitly. But agree with James that Syd is the one groping around in the code. So 4 or 5 for me.

--elli

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:44 AM James Cummings < James.Cummings@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:

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Hi all,

I simultaneously agree that explicitness is good and tend to use xpath-default-namespace all the time myself. I also remember learning from Sebastian that you *always* check namespaces first when something goes wrong. ;-) But since ODDs are always written in TEI (even non-TEI ODDs), it makes sense to me to use default namespace for TEI. I'd vote 4.

Many thanks,

James

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School of English, Newcastle University ------------------------------ *From:* Tei-council on behalf of Lou Burnard *Sent:* 04 January 2019 15:07:27 *To:* Raffaele Viglianti; Elisa Beshero-Bondar *Cc:* Peter Stadler; Lou Burnard; TEI Council; Martin Holmes *Subject:* Re: [Tei-council] Stylesheets: rub out tei: prefix?

FWIW, I agree with Raffaele and Peter in preferring the explicitness and clarity of a prefix. Sebastian always used to say that whenever a stylesheet didn't behave as expected, it was a namespace problem.

But if Syd is producing a new version, clearly he has the right to make whatever cosmetic changes he is more comfortable with. Might be a good idea to keep the old version around for a while though, just to check nothing has been broken by such changes, if I may state the obvious.

On 04/01/2019 11:44, Raffaele Viglianti wrote:

I always use prefixes. I think it helps with clarity and feels more rigorous/consistent. So my preference would be 5.

Raff

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 5:09 AM Elisa Beshero-Bondar

By the way, I think there’s a way to do it in pure Schematron, but I am not sure (have to check) if it can be done in the ODD context. If I remember right for pure Schematron at least, the question is whether you have to set the prefix on the Schematron elements or the TEI ones.

Elisa

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On Jan 4, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar wrote:

Having worked with setting default namespaces rather a lot in various contexts (XSLT, XQuery, Schematron, I vote enthusiastically for 1). This really just amounts to a change that reduces verbosity, as Syd indicates, but also reflects the default centrality of the TEI in the Stylesheets anyway. And it is a pain to have to remember the default prefix all the time when we gave to edit.

Elisa

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On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:54 AM, Peter Stadler < pstadler@mail.uni-paderborn.de> wrote:

I honestly prefer the verbosity of 5) — and I don’t think these XPath expressions can be significantly simplified nor compressed by removing those namespace prefixes. But just to make double sure: This is just a (proposed) cosmetic change due to your personal preference, right? This wouldn’t be bad thing, though, and I think you deserve to do it your way since you are the ODD one :)

Cheers Peter

> Am 04.01.2019 um 02:18 schrieb Syd Bauman < s.bauman@northeastern.edu>: > > The current odd2odd.xsl (like most of the stylesheets) uses the > explicitly bound namespace prefix "tei:" in XPaths. I am inclined to > use @xpath-default-namespace and get rid of them. I think our XPaths > are often already long enough to wrap around even a wide screen > twice, and things like "ancestor::tei:teiHeader" are just harder to > read. > > Please vote (fast): > 1) I very much want to get rid of the "tei:" prefix in XPaths > 2) I prefer to get rid of them, but don't care much > 3) Makes no difference to me, mate > 4) I prefer to keep them, but don't care much > 5) I very much want to keep the "tei: prefix in XPaths > > In case you're curious, there are approximately > 517 tei: > 38 rng: > 15 xs: > 5 a: > 4 xml: > 2 sch: > prefixes in odd2odd.xsl. (Looking only in attr values.) > _______________________________________________ > Tei-council mailing list > Tei-council@lists.tei-c.org > http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/tei-council

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