Dear all, I was wondering if anybody on the list has ever used the element <samplingDecl> and, if so, for which purposes. By reading the TEI guidelines (here<https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html>), it seems that this should only be used when creating a corpus or a collection of texts, adding together pieces of a source or different sources. My doubt is: could it be used to record free-text information about the inclusion or the omission of portions of a text, manuscripts, or witnesses that are not editorial? For instance, can it be a good place to report that, for a given stretch of text, a given witness will not be collated (whether because the witness is incomplete or damaged)? Or should this kind of info rather be stated somewhere else (e.g. in <sourceDesc>, or <editorialDecl>)? Thanks in advance and best regards, Giulia Buriola
Thanks Giulia. I may clarify to other list members that Giulia is helping me write the DHARMA project’s Encoding Guide for Critical Editions, and that the question re. <samplingDesc> came up in that connection. We look forward to receiving your answers. In the meantime, I once again draw the attention of those who may be interested to our Guides released so far <https://dharma.hypotheses.org/guides>. All feedback is welcome. Arlo Griffiths École française d’Extrême-Orient, Paris https://dharma.hypotheses.org/ arlo.griffiths@efeo.net<mailto:arlo.griffiths@efeo.net> Le 15 nov. 2020 à 10:38, giulia b <giulia.buriola@hotmail.it<mailto:giulia.buriola@hotmail.it>> a écrit : Dear all, I was wondering if anybody on the list has ever used the element <samplingDecl> and, if so, for which purposes. By reading the TEI guidelines (here<https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html>), it seems that this should only be used when creating a corpus or a collection of texts, adding together pieces of a source or different sources. My doubt is: could it be used to record free-text information about the inclusion or the omission of portions of a text, manuscripts, or witnesses that are not editorial? For instance, can it be a good place to report that, for a given stretch of text, a given witness will not be collated (whether because the witness is incomplete or damaged)? Or should this kind of info rather be stated somewhere else (e.g. in <sourceDesc>, or <editorialDecl>)? Thanks in advance and best regards, Giulia Buriola _______________________________________________ Indic-texts mailing list Indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org<mailto:Indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org> http://lists.lists.tei-c.org/mailman/listinfo/indic-texts
On Sun, Nov 15 2020, giulia b wrote:
Dear all,
I was wondering if anybody on the list has ever used the element <samplingDecl> and, if so, for which purposes. By reading the TEI guidelines (here<https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html>), it seems that this should only be used when creating a corpus or a collection of texts, adding together pieces of a source or different sources.
Dear Giulia, short answer: I have not used that element till now. To me it seems like your understanding is right. But it might be a good idea to ask about this on the general TEI list (actually, I’d suggest that also for the next part of your question).
My doubt is: could it be used to record free-text information about the inclusion or the omission of portions of a text, manuscripts, or witnesses that are not editorial? For instance, can it be a good place to report that, for a given stretch of text, a given witness will not be collated (whether because the witness is incomplete or damaged)? Or should this kind of info rather be stated somewhere else (e.g. in <sourceDesc>, or <editorialDecl>)?
I’d look for such a general description in the tei:editorialDecl, or in the description of the particular witness that is concerned (tei:witness). And perhaps off-topic: to encode this in the document, there are useful elements described at “12.1.5 Fragmentary Witnesses” (https://tei-c.org/Vault/P5/4.1.0/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/TC.html#TCAPMI): tei:witStart, tei:witEnd, tei:lacunaStart, tei:lacunaEnd. You could perhaps link to these from a description in tei:witness. Best wishes, -- Patrick McAllister long-term email: pma@rdorte.org
Dear Giulia, I agree with Patrick's suggestions. However, it would be good to know more about the exact purpose of your encoding practice, i.e. what are you striving to achieve with it? As I see it, the TEI guidelines are pretty broad and in many cases it is possible to look at a textual aspect with different approaches, which accordingly would require one or the other encoding element. In other words, depending on your aim, you could use <samplingDecl> or the elements described at "12.1.5 Fragmentary Witnesses", as Patrick suggested - you could even use a combination of the two, or more elements etc. I wonder what others think about it, as I believe that this type of decision should be coordinated between all of us in order to become standard practice for South Asian texts. Best wishes, Camillo ________________________________ Dr Camillo A. Formigatti Information Analyst - FAMOUS Project Bodleian Libraries The Weston Library Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG Email: camillo.formigatti@bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208 www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk<http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/> GROW YOUR MIND in Oxford University's Gardens, Libraries and Museums www.mindgrowing.org<http://www.mindgrowing.org/> From: Indic-texts <indic-texts-bounces@lists.tei-c.org> On Behalf Of giulia b Sent: 15 November 2020 09:39 To: indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org Subject: [Indic-texts] <samplingDecl> Dear all, I was wondering if anybody on the list has ever used the element <samplingDecl> and, if so, for which purposes. By reading the TEI guidelines (here<https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html>), it seems that this should only be used when creating a corpus or a collection of texts, adding together pieces of a source or different sources. My doubt is: could it be used to record free-text information about the inclusion or the omission of portions of a text, manuscripts, or witnesses that are not editorial? For instance, can it be a good place to report that, for a given stretch of text, a given witness will not be collated (whether because the witness is incomplete or damaged)? Or should this kind of info rather be stated somewhere else (e.g. in <sourceDesc>, or <editorialDecl>)? Thanks in advance and best regards, Giulia Buriola
Dear all, I would like to thank Camillo and Patrick for their answers. If anyone else has additional thoughs on the matter, please do not hesitate to get in touch. We are actually already using part of the elements presented in TEI 12.1.5; however, since empty elements such as <lacunaStart/> and so forth, may occur only within some other elements (i.e. <lemma> or <rdg>), we were wondering whether an additional place to state such info on the witnesses in plain text could be of use. <samplingDecl> was initially suggested by a TEI expert, but upon reflection we thought it might be redundant, especially in light of elements already present in our <teiHeader> such as <sourceDesc>, which could serve this purpose good enough. Looking forward to continuing this exchange, I send my best regards. Giulia ________________________________ Da: Camillo Formigatti <camillo.formigatti@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> Inviato: lunedì 16 novembre 2020 11:52 A: giulia b <giulia.buriola@hotmail.it>; indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org <indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org> Oggetto: RE: <samplingDecl> Dear Giulia, I agree with Patrick’s suggestions. However, it would be good to know more about the exact purpose of your encoding practice, i.e. what are you striving to achieve with it? As I see it, the TEI guidelines are pretty broad and in many cases it is possible to look at a textual aspect with different approaches, which accordingly would require one or the other encoding element. In other words, depending on your aim, you could use <samplingDecl> or the elements described at “12.1.5 Fragmentary Witnesses”, as Patrick suggested – you could even use a combination of the two, or more elements etc. I wonder what others think about it, as I believe that this type of decision should be coordinated between all of us in order to become standard practice for South Asian texts. Best wishes, Camillo ________________________________ Dr Camillo A. Formigatti Information Analyst – FAMOUS Project Bodleian Libraries The Weston Library Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG Email: camillo.formigatti@bodleian.ox.ac.uk<mailto:camillo.formigatti@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> Tel. (office): 01865 (2)77208 www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk<http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/> GROW YOUR MIND in Oxford University’s Gardens, Libraries and Museums www.mindgrowing.org<http://www.mindgrowing.org/> From: Indic-texts <indic-texts-bounces@lists.tei-c.org> On Behalf Of giulia b Sent: 15 November 2020 09:39 To: indic-texts@lists.tei-c.org Subject: [Indic-texts] <samplingDecl> Dear all, I was wondering if anybody on the list has ever used the element <samplingDecl> and, if so, for which purposes. By reading the TEI guidelines (here<https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html>), it seems that this should only be used when creating a corpus or a collection of texts, adding together pieces of a source or different sources. My doubt is: could it be used to record free-text information about the inclusion or the omission of portions of a text, manuscripts, or witnesses that are not editorial? For instance, can it be a good place to report that, for a given stretch of text, a given witness will not be collated (whether because the witness is incomplete or damaged)? Or should this kind of info rather be stated somewhere else (e.g. in <sourceDesc>, or <editorialDecl>)? Thanks in advance and best regards, Giulia Buriola
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