Re: [Indic-texts] question about use of @source in stanza + paraphrase translation dyads

2 May 2020

      On Fri, May 01 2020, Andrew Ollett wrote:
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It is more cumbersome, but I might recommend a <note> element, perhaps with
a dedicated @type, embedded in the <quote> element, and this <note> element
can provide bibliographic references and parallels (say with the <ptr>
element). The advantage to this is that you can include multiple
references, say to Indische Sprüche, various editions of the Mahābhārata,
and so on, and you can also comment on the closeness of the quotation to
each source (as far as I know <quote> only provides the @cert attribute,
which would be interpreted to mean the certainty that the text in question
is a quotation, which is not exactly what you mean).
Andrew is here suggesting a format that would easily lend itself to
display in a PDF or HTML Format.

If you want a more “machine readable” approach, you could also consider
using tei:linkGrp and tei:link elements (section 16.1 in the TEI
Guidelines,
https://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/SA.html#SAPT)

That would allow you to formalize your connections and keep them apart
from the base text (in an appendix, or a separate file). It could look
like this:

<div xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0">
<!-- this is just from your example, minus the @source and plus an @xml:id -->
  <p n="29">
  <quote xml:id="id__1" type="basetext" xml:lang="san-Latn">
    <lg n="28" met="anuṣṭubh">
      <l>kāntāravanadurgeṣu kr̥cchreṣv āpatsu sambhrame |</l>
      <l>udyateṣu ca śastreṣu nāsti dharmavatāṁ bhayam ॥28॥</l>
    </lg>
  </quote>
  lavan ta vaneh, riṅ hlət, riṅ alas, riṅ priṅga, riṅ laya,
  salvirniṅ duhkhahetu, ri papraṅan kunəṅ, tar tka juga ikaṅ bhaya, ri saṅ dhārmika, apan ikaṅ śubhakarma rumakṣa sira. </p>

  <p n="32">
    <quote xml:id="id__2" type="basetext" xml:lang="san-Latn">
      <lg n="31" met="anuṣṭubh">
	<l>arjayej jñānam arthāṁś ca vidvān amaravat sthitaḥ |</l>
	<l>keśeṣv iva gr̥hītaḥ san mr̥tyunā dharmam ācaret ॥31॥</l>
      </lg>
    </quote>
    mataṅnya deyanika saṅ meṅət, apagəh kadi tan kneṅ pāti,
lviraniran paṅarjana jñāna, artha, kunaṅ yan paṅarjana dharma, kadi katona
rumaṅgut mastakanira, ta pva ikaṅ mr̥tyu denira, ahosanā palayvana juga
  sira.</p>
  <!-- This is what’s new -->
  <div>
    <linkGrp type="quotes-from-historical-texts">
      <link target="#id__1 http://gretil/some/path/mbh.html#MBh05,039.053" ana="#arlo-thinks-it-is-a-quote #pada-c-differs"/>
    </linkGrp>
    <linkGrp type="general-parallels">
      <link target="#id__2 bibl:Boehtlingk1870_01-94/32" ana="#todo-link-to-the-e-text"/>
    </linkGrp>
  </div>
</div>

You wish to encode these features:
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On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 1:39 AM Arlo Griffiths  wrote:
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Now to the specific problem on which I need your help: the correspondence
with the reading of the @source is often not precise. In other words, even
though a relationship with the @source is affirmed, we do not affirm that
the reading of @source is identical to that of our text. In fact, I’d like
to have a means of encoding that the correspondence is precise, which is
rare, and maybe also that the correspondence is remote, which is also rare
— the remoter the correspondence, the less likely that I’d want to cite the
include a reference to the that source at all.
The example I provided uses the @type on the tei:linkGrp elements for
the two broad categories you wish to distinguish.  More details are
supplied with the @ana on the individual links, which point to a list of
useful interpretations that you supply somewhere else.  You could also
use another @type on the tei:link element for a tighter control on the
possibilities (define a list of permitted types, for example).

In practice, I often find myself switching from a rather messy group of
@ana attributes to a better regulated @type (and @subtype) attribute
after I’ve encoded a big enough number of passages to get a feeling for
the possibilities.

Unlike Andrew’s suggestion, this approach would require you to write a
program to process those groups of tei:link elements, probably adding
(where you think it’s right) the @source attribute to a tei:quote.

I would like to mention one other possibility, which I must add is a
horrible hack that avoids the point of the TEI:

Instead of

you could add parameters to the @source attribute, which, after all, is
just a (list of) URIs:

Best wishes,

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Patrick McAllister
long-term email: pma@rdorte.org